Re: [hybi] Straw poll: Do you miss interjectable WebSocket level control frame? (was: Re: Discontinuation of mux ...)

Takeshi Yoshino <tyoshino@google.com> Wed, 26 February 2014 18:09 UTC

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From: Takeshi Yoshino <tyoshino@google.com>
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 03:08:44 +0900
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Subject: Re: [hybi] Straw poll: Do you miss interjectable WebSocket level control frame? (was: Re: Discontinuation of mux ...)
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On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 2:58 AM, Ian Hickson <ian@hixie.ch> wrote:

> On Thu, 27 Feb 2014, Takeshi Yoshino wrote:
> >
> > Yeah, it's kinda twist.
> >
> > But also it's not strange that people wonder if close frame interjection
> > like this is ok or not. Actually, even ping/pong sending are not
> > explicitly allowed to be inserted between "Send a WebSocket Message"
> > algorithm.
>
> If it's unclear, we should update the protocol spec to make it clear.
>
>
I can't file a ticket.

Sal, could you file a ticket for this for update in the future?


>
> > > If you send a bunch of messages, then start the closing handshake,
> > > then the messages should all be sent. I don't think there's anything
> > > in either spec that would allow the handshake to jump ahead.
> >
> > It would be nice if you add some note to the API spec to say "queuing"
> > doesn't have any implication that the closing handshake can jump in in
> > response to Zhong's question above.
>
> Can you file a bug explaining specifically what needs clarifying at the
> API level? I'll get to it ASAP (I'm in the middle of an edit on focus
> navigation, so I can't fix it right now). http://whatwg.org/newbug


Thanks. Filed.
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=24824