Re: [hybi] Payload only compression extension, again
Brodie Thiesfield <brodie@jellycan.com> Mon, 25 July 2011 23:46 UTC
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Subject: Re: [hybi] Payload only compression extension, again
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On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 12:05 AM, John Tamplin <jat@google.com> wrote: > On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 2:03 AM, Takeshi Yoshino <tyoshino@google.com> > wrote: >> It's also an option that we introduce COMP bit in wire spec but initially >> have no API exposed for JavaScript to control that. > > That would also be useful if there were heuristics to choose when to > compress the data. > However, as long as the compression state is maintained across frames, I > don't think it is a real problem to simply compress everything. Sure, if > someone sends random data it will get bigger, but not by much. Even on > binary data like Quake update frames, there is substantial redundancy to be > removed via compression, so with real-world data the payload is almost never > going to get bigger by compressing. Certainly with this sort of payload that is initially being considered normal for websocket I agree. However I expect that WS will also be used to stream pre-compressed data to a client as well (e.g. images, video, audio, resources in a zip at the server) for things like games. It would also be useful if there were not heuristics to decide if the data should be compressed or not. Often the client or server will have external knowledge that the data will not benefit from compression, and so having the ability to mark frames/messages as do-not-compress is useful to allow savings of both network bytes and cpu time. Regards, Brodie
- [hybi] Payload only compression extension, again Takeshi Yoshino
- Re: [hybi] Payload only compression extension, ag… Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] Payload only compression extension, ag… Takeshi Yoshino
- Re: [hybi] Payload only compression extension, ag… Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] Payload only compression extension, ag… Takeshi Yoshino
- Re: [hybi] Payload only compression extension, ag… Brodie Thiesfield
- Re: [hybi] Payload only compression extension, ag… John Tamplin
- Re: [hybi] Payload only compression extension, ag… Brodie Thiesfield
- Re: [hybi] Payload only compression extension, ag… Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] Payload only compression extension, ag… Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] Payload only compression extension, ag… John Tamplin
- Re: [hybi] Payload only compression extension, ag… John Tamplin
- Re: [hybi] Payload only compression extension, ag… Patrick McManus
- Re: [hybi] Payload only compression extension, ag… Patrick McManus
- Re: [hybi] Payload only compression extension, ag… Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] Payload only compression extension, ag… John Tamplin
- Re: [hybi] Payload only compression extension, ag… Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] Payload only compression extension, ag… John Tamplin
- Re: [hybi] Payload only compression extension, ag… Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] Payload only compression extension, ag… Takeshi Yoshino
- Re: [hybi] Payload only compression extension, ag… Takeshi Yoshino
- Re: [hybi] Payload only compression extension, ag… Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [hybi] Payload only compression extension, ag… John Tamplin
- Re: [hybi] Payload only compression extension, ag… Takeshi Yoshino
- Re: [hybi] Payload only compression extension, ag… Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] Payload only compression extension, ag… Takeshi Yoshino
- Re: [hybi] Payload only compression extension, ag… John Tamplin
- Re: [hybi] Payload only compression extension, ag… Brodie Thiesfield
- Re: [hybi] Payload only compression extension, ag… Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] Payload only compression extension, ag… Brian
- Re: [hybi] Payload only compression extension, ag… Takeshi Yoshino
- Re: [hybi] Payload only compression extension, ag… John Tamplin
- Re: [hybi] Payload only compression extension, ag… Bjoern Hoehrmann
- Re: [hybi] Payload only compression extension, ag… Takeshi Yoshino
- Re: [hybi] Payload only compression extension, ag… Takeshi Yoshino
- Re: [hybi] Payload only compression extension, ag… Takeshi Yoshino
- Re: [hybi] Payload only compression extension, ag… Takeshi Yoshino