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Re: [hybi] Is there a traffic jam?

Greg Wilkins <gregw@webtide.com> Tue, 14 April 2009 07:35 UTC

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Sylvain Hellegouarch wrote:
> The endless nitpicking of this list should probably be warning enough in 
> my opinion that it might be the wrong path.

Well as one of the prime nitpickers.... I don't actually think it is
endless.

So sorry if it seams that I'm endlessly picking on websocket.
Not my intention - but it has been a convenient straw man to
illustrate that a simple protocol is not going to resolve some
outstanding issues, as BEEP has been a straw man to show that
a more complex protocol is going to have overheads that some
find unacceptable.

The conversation has been worthwhile (at least for me).  I'm
moving away from my "let's not pick winners" advocacy towards
a base protocol that does support sharing and multiplexing.
The HTTP extensions that Jamie described sound very interesting!

cheers

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