Re: [hybi] deflate-stream and masking

Greg Wilkins <gregw@intalio.com> Thu, 21 July 2011 09:31 UTC

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John,

I do recall the first thread, but it is all about framed based
compression.  This was a well discussed thread with 30 posts from 10
authors.   There was good support for frame based compression, a bit
of dissent about reserved bit and just a hint of support for stream
based compression.

The second thread, I missed at the time and missed again while
searching. It only has 5 responses from 3 authors.  Reading it now, I
see that opinion was split in these responses with yourself still
advocating frame compression.  Hardly wide consensus that could be
classified as "once we do agree on something".

But maybe I'm being a bit precious and this is probably not the best
example of the anti-pattern that I'm whining about.  So I'll stop
whipping this particular dead horse.

Regardless, there was significant opposition to stream compression
then (pre masking) and there is more now.    I think we are setting a
very low  quality/consensus standard for this extension.   But having
said all this before, I'll now go easy on this not-so-healthy horse.

cheers