Re: [hybi] Proposed way forward for WebSockets
gabriel montenegro <g_e_montenegro@yahoo.com> Tue, 27 July 2010 08:17 UTC
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From: gabriel montenegro <g_e_montenegro@yahoo.com>
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Subject: Re: [hybi] Proposed way forward for WebSockets
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Phasing out development is good, but I agree with Greg about building in, from day one, some way to extend or add other features as the charter is clear that this is not just for browsers. Even though it is possible to define future headers or using the subprotocol mechanism to define or change behavior to one's satisfaction, what is not clear is what would be the status of those specs, nor what document or delivery vehicle would be used. That is fine for some functionality, but what the charter calls for is for the WG to produce a general protocol (not just for browsers) as part of the official WG document. So it's not enough to say that one could define future behavior, we have to define a complete protocol which in my mind implies binary support at least. BTW, I like to look at the charter, as that is what guides the WG. There used to be a time when charters were nice, decorative items in the IETF. That changed already several years ago. Now the IESG approves charter for a reason. The IESG will hold the WG accountable for it. Gabriel ----- Original Message ---- > From: Anne van Kesteren <annevk@opera.com> > To: Ian Hickson <ian@hixie.ch>; Maciej Stachowiak <mjs@apple.com> > Cc: hybi@ietf.org > Sent: Tue, July 27, 2010 7:58:36 AM > Subject: Re: [hybi] Proposed way forward for WebSockets > > On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 03:00:08 +0200, Maciej Stachowiak <mjs@apple.com> wrote: > > Ian's suggested timeline below sounds like an excellent way to proceed, in my >opinion. > > +1 > > > --Anne van Kesteren > http://annevankesteren.nl/ > _______________________________________________ > hybi mailing list > hybi@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hybi >
- Re: [hybi] Protocol simplicity and the "amateur p… Mike Belshe
- [hybi] Protocol simplicity and the "amateur progr… Maciej Stachowiak
- Re: [hybi] Protocol simplicity and the "amateur p… Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] Protocol simplicity and the "amateur p… Willy Tarreau
- Re: [hybi] Proposed way forward for WebSockets Willy Tarreau
- Re: [hybi] Protocol simplicity and the "amateur p… James Graham
- Re: [hybi] Protocol simplicity and the "amateur p… Maciej Stachowiak
- Re: [hybi] Protocol simplicity and the "amateur p… Julian Reschke
- Re: [hybi] Protocol simplicity and the "amateur p… Ian Fette (イアンフェッティ)
- Re: [hybi] Protocol simplicity and the "amateur p… James Graham
- Re: [hybi] Protocol simplicity and the "amateur p… Micheil Smith
- Re: [hybi] Protocol simplicity and the "amateur p… Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] Protocol simplicity and the "amateur p… Dave Cridland
- Re: [hybi] Protocol simplicity and the "amateur p… James Graham
- Re: [hybi] Protocol simplicity and the "amateur p… Adam Barth
- Re: [hybi] Protocol simplicity and the "amateur p… James Graham
- Re: [hybi] Protocol simplicity and the "amateur p… John Tamplin
- Re: [hybi] Adding clarification regarding future … Joe Hildebrand
- Re: [hybi] Protocol simplicity and the "amateur p… Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] Protocol simplicity and the "amateur p… James Graham
- [hybi] Proposed way forward for WebSockets Ian Hickson
- Re: [hybi] Proposed way forward for WebSockets Maciej Stachowiak
- Re: [hybi] Proposed way forward for WebSockets Rob Sayre
- Re: [hybi] Proposed way forward for WebSockets Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] Proposed way forward for WebSockets Michael Carter
- Re: [hybi] Proposed way forward for WebSockets Anne van Kesteren
- Re: [hybi] Proposed way forward for WebSockets Anne van Kesteren
- Re: [hybi] Proposed way forward for WebSockets John Tamplin
- Re: [hybi] Proposed way forward for WebSockets Anne van Kesteren
- [hybi] Adding clarification regarding future revi… Ian Hickson
- Re: [hybi] Proposed way forward for WebSockets Maciej Stachowiak
- Re: [hybi] Adding clarification regarding future … Simone Bordet
- Re: [hybi] Proposed way forward for WebSockets Dave Cridland
- Re: [hybi] Adding clarification regarding future … Thomson, Martin
- Re: [hybi] Proposed way forward for WebSockets gabriel montenegro
- Re: [hybi] Proposed way forward for WebSockets Thomson, Martin
- Re: [hybi] Adding clarification regarding future … Willy Tarreau
- Re: [hybi] Proposed way forward for WebSockets gabriel montenegro
- Re: [hybi] Proposed way forward for WebSockets Willy Tarreau
- Re: [hybi] Proposed way forward for WebSockets Adam Barth
- Re: [hybi] Proposed way forward for WebSockets Willy Tarreau
- Re: [hybi] Proposed way forward for WebSockets Dave Cridland
- Re: [hybi] Proposed way forward for WebSockets Anne van Kesteren
- Re: [hybi] Proposed way forward for WebSockets Lars Eggert
- Re: [hybi] Adding clarification regarding future … Pieter Hintjens
- Re: [hybi] Proposed way forward for WebSockets Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] Adding clarification regarding future … Dave Cridland
- Re: [hybi] Adding clarification regarding future … Jamie Lokier
- Re: [hybi] Proposed way forward for WebSockets Jamie Lokier
- Re: [hybi] Adding clarification regarding future … Jamie Lokier
- Re: [hybi] Proposed way forward for WebSockets Jamie Lokier
- Re: [hybi] Proposed way forward for WebSockets Ian Fette (イアンフェッティ)
- Re: [hybi] Proposed way forward for WebSockets John Tamplin
- Re: [hybi] Proposed way forward for WebSockets Dave Cridland
- Re: [hybi] Proposed way forward for WebSockets Martin J. Dürst
- Re: [hybi] Proposed way forward for WebSockets Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [hybi] Proposed way forward for WebSockets Anne van Kesteren
- Re: [hybi] Proposed way forward for WebSockets Martin J. Dürst
- Re: [hybi] Proposed way forward for WebSockets Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] Proposed way forward for WebSockets Anne van Kesteren