Re: [hybi] IESG note?, was: Last Call: <draft-ietf-hybi-thewebsocketprotocol-10.txt> (The WebSocket protocol) to Proposed Standard

Julian Reschke <julian.reschke@gmx.de> Tue, 06 September 2011 15:16 UTC

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Subject: Re: [hybi] IESG note?, was: Last Call: <draft-ietf-hybi-thewebsocketprotocol-10.txt> (The WebSocket protocol) to Proposed Standard
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On 2011-09-03 20:51, Joel Martin wrote:
> Roy,
>
> You may feel that the wording of your note is not pejorative (because
> what you wanted to say is so much more so), but the tone and wording
> come across that way even if it is technically accurate.
>
> Having a note in the spec that WebSocket connections over port 80 and
> 443 wlll have traffic patterns that are substantially different than
> normal HTTP patterns and how this might impact existing infrastructure
> is probably worthwhile but I don't think most of your note is helpful or
> serves much purpose (except as a passive aggressive way to express an
> opinion that the current WebSocket protocol is fatally flawed).
>
> Just one example: "convoluted and inefficient". A simple 4-byte running
> XOR hash is convoluted? Certainly it's slightly more complicated than
 > ...

Wild guess: back when that text was written, the exchange was more 
complex than it is now, right?

 > ...

Best regards, Julian