Re: [hybi] web socket protocol in "last call"?

Maciej Stachowiak <mjs@apple.com> Wed, 28 October 2009 22:13 UTC

Return-Path: <mjs@apple.com>
X-Original-To: hybi@core3.amsl.com
Delivered-To: hybi@core3.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BAA73A6781 for <hybi@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 15:13:05 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -106.599
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100]
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dnDej-pofrta for <hybi@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 15:13:04 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail-out3.apple.com (mail-out3.apple.com [17.254.13.22]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2D463A691C for <hybi@ietf.org>; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 15:13:04 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from relay15.apple.com (relay15.apple.com [17.128.113.54]) by mail-out3.apple.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92E0677C4C72 for <hybi@ietf.org>; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 15:13:20 -0700 (PDT)
X-AuditID: 11807136-b7bdeae0000013fb-c7-4ae8c2009dc2
Received: from gertie.apple.com (gertie.apple.com [17.151.62.15]) by relay15.apple.com (Apple SCV relay) with SMTP id 46.50.05115.002C8EA4; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 15:13:20 -0700 (PDT)
MIME-version: 1.0
Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit
Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"; format="flowed"; delsp="yes"
Received: from [17.151.122.156] by gertie.apple.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPSA id <0KS800MRDWE8XB10@gertie.apple.com> for hybi@ietf.org; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 15:13:20 -0700 (PDT)
Message-id: <5214ACB4-16C9-43BC-9C86-ACA330A9BFDC@apple.com>
From: Maciej Stachowiak <mjs@apple.com>
To: Infinity Linden <infinity@lindenlab.com>
In-reply-to: <3a880e2c0910281301j5d1e4cdclfe2391b28eadda0e@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 15:13:19 -0700
References: <4AE7F0AE.1000102@gmx.de> <Pine.LNX.4.62.0910280740540.25608@hixie.dreamhostps.com> <4AE7FFC4.8050405@gmx.de> <4AE806AA.60901@ericsson.com> <Pine.LNX.4.62.0910280938560.25608@hixie.dreamhostps.com> <4AE86513.4060600@ericsson.com> <3a880e2c0910281301j5d1e4cdclfe2391b28eadda0e@mail.gmail.com>
X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936)
X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAZE=
Cc: "hybi@ietf.org" <hybi@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [hybi] web socket protocol in "last call"?
X-BeenThere: hybi@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9
Precedence: list
List-Id: Server-Initiated HTTP <hybi.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hybi>, <mailto:hybi-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/hybi>
List-Post: <mailto:hybi@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:hybi-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hybi>, <mailto:hybi-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:13:05 -0000

On Oct 28, 2009, at 1:01 PM, Infinity Linden (Meadhbh Hamrick) wrote:

> wow. WS is in last call? not being able to continue work on putting
> something like RHTTP or BWTP over WS is a bit of a deal-breaker for
> me.
>
> but. i suppose there's no reason we can't work on BWTP independent of
> WS. i was just sorta hoping there would have been a way to coordinate
> these efforts.
>
> i guess there's also no reason now to meet at apachecon next week
> about WS. i mean, why bother meeting about something you can't change?


WHATWG Last Call doesn't mean "can't change". It's just soliciting  
comments. And it is in no way binding on the IETF.

In practice, the factor that will reduce the rate of change in the  
future will be when implementations (client-side and server-side) ship  
and Web content starts using it.

WebKit has an implementation of the WebSocket API and protocol in  
progress. We do not anticipate that work reaching a freeze point in  
the very near future. We'll think about taking appropriate measures to  
avoid locking in the protocol when we ship, to give the IETF Working  
Group a chance to define the protocol.

Given all this, I do think meeting in person to discuss is useful.

Regards,
Maciej