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Re: [hybi] Insight you need to know: Browsers are at fault when servers crash

John Tamplin <jat@google.com> Mon, 26 July 2010 04:22 UTC

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Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 00:22:11 -0400
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On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 12:00 AM, Mike Belshe <mike@belshe.com> wrote:

> Adam has also suggested encrypting the channel.  Even without TLS, this
> would go a long way toward preventing attackers from sending particular byte
> patterns over the wire, and could probably be done without adding
> round-trips.
>

Would it be worth having a requirement saying something about a target
platform?  I worry about requiring encryption if we are including embedded
devices as target platforms - any encryption worth doing may be an
unacceptable burden for such platforms.

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John A. Tamplin
Software Engineer (GWT), Google

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