Re: [hybi] deflate-stream and masking
David Endicott <dendicott@gmail.com> Wed, 20 July 2011 20:36 UTC
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From: David Endicott <dendicott@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [hybi] deflate-stream and masking
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Whereas, I really believe it shouldn't. (But not enough to delay realization of WS) TCP doesn't have compression. HTTP does. TCP is a transport layer. HTTP is an application layer. Websockets is transport layer. Et voila, my reasoning. I've always understood WS as a protocol that defines how content is exchanged asynchronously between "web" peers. It is a framing mechanism for TCP. It is not an application layer (it doesn't define "verbs", like GET, POST, HEAD, etc.). Transport layers should be content agnostic. Compression is a function of that which uses the transport layer (ie. application layer). But, I've said this before, and there is no reason to belabor the point. If I have to implement the extension as a mandatory component, I'll be pissed off, but I'll do it. My needs for a non-XHR kludge to get async communication out-weighs my distaste for the extension. I understand other peoples needs may differ from mine. On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 4:04 PM, Patrick McManus <pmcmanus@mozilla.com>wrote: > I really believe the base spec must have a compression definition. > > The point of my message was that the W3C editor's draft should not turn > into a change in direction on compression on our part because the scope > of that issue is much greater. > > On Wed, 2011-07-20 at 20:00 +0000, Gabriel Montenegro wrote: > > <As individual> > > > > That is my reading as well. > > > > <as chair> > > > > Patrick, would you be able to own that separate spec? > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: hybi-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:hybi-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf > Of > > > Peter Saint-Andre > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 12:49 > > > To: Patrick McManus > > > Cc: Hybi > > > Subject: Re: [hybi] deflate-stream and masking > > > > > > <hat type='individual'/> > > > > > > On 7/20/11 1:43 PM, Patrick McManus wrote: > > > > > > > As for compression, the most productive thing to do seems to me to be > > > > to define in a separate draft deflate-frame and push it through the > > > > adoption/standardization process. No matter what is defined the > > > > extensions mechanism should (and does!) provide a mechanism for > > > > migration for any sensible protocol implementations. > > > > > > > > While I don't want to go to the mat for deflate-stream it certainly > > > > has a number of use cases where it does well - most downstream > traffic > > > > of> tiny-sized messages, and large upstream messages - so I'm not in > > > > the camp of "just throw it out". > > > > > > My reading of the discussion is that people don't necessarily want to > throw out > > > deflate-stream, but they don't think it belongs in the base spec and > they would > > > prefer to see it defined in a separate draft, just as you propose for > deflate-frame. > > > > > > Peter > > > > > > -- > > > Peter Saint-Andre > > > https://stpeter.im/ > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > hybi mailing list > > > hybi@ietf.org > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hybi > > > > > _______________________________________________ > hybi mailing list > hybi@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hybi >
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- Re: [hybi] deflate-stream and masking Gabriel Montenegro
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- Re: [hybi] deflate-stream and masking David Endicott
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