Re: [hybi] Protocol simplicity and the "amateur programmer" standard
Julian Reschke <julian.reschke@gmx.de> Mon, 26 July 2010 11:18 UTC
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Subject: Re: [hybi] Protocol simplicity and the "amateur programmer" standard
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On 26.07.2010 13:07, Maciej Stachowiak wrote: > ... > The last version of Safari shipped with a version of WebSocket that is incompatible with the current protocol. So we are open to further changes, if they are valuable. I don't think we are yet at the point where incompatible changes are inordinately expensive. I don't think the protocol has enough real deployment experience for us to lock it down. > ... Thanks for that clarification, and also +1 to the other things you said. Best regards, Julian
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