Re: [hybi] Call for interest: multiplexing dedicated for WebSocket

"John A. Tamplin" <jat@jaet.org> Wed, 22 May 2013 16:27 UTC

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Subject: Re: [hybi] Call for interest: multiplexing dedicated for WebSocket
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On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 11:12 AM, Tobias Oberstein <
tobias.oberstein@tavendo.de> wrote:

> +1 for the simplest possible mux that does the core job.
>
> However, I currently think that having a per-logical channel flow control
> is required to make it useful (cannot be dropped for the sake of
> simplification). I might be wrong.
>

I agree -- without flow control, there is very little benefit, and almost
nothing that an app couldn't easily do themselves by just adding a simple
framing layer inside WS messages (perhaps just the first byte is a logical
channel number).

-- 
John A. Tamplin