Re: [hybi] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC7692 (4982)

Moonchild <moonchild@palemoon.org> Wed, 29 March 2017 08:30 UTC

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> The main pain point was that if the spec is not clear that a client
> should be prepared (must be able to "accept") for an unsolicited
> server_no_context_takeover, it leads the interop issue. "MUST support"
> would work enough to avoid this badness.

I see. Having the coherence of statements spread out over 3 points in
the text doesn't make it the clearest or easiest to interpret and could
maybe use a rewrite, but that's an editorial issue that is beside this
point of change.

> The MAY sentence is already implying that point. The Otherwise sentence
> corresponds to the "ignoring the parameter" case. What do you think.
> Can't this serve enough for clarification?

Yes, it would serve well since it is made clear that
implementation-backing is optional in those cases, even though support
for the response becomes mandatory.

Kind regards,
MC