Re: [hybi] OPTIONS (was Re: It's time to ship)

Adam Barth <ietf@adambarth.com> Mon, 10 January 2011 01:40 UTC

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From: Adam Barth <ietf@adambarth.com>
Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2011 17:41:54 -0800
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Subject: Re: [hybi] OPTIONS (was Re: It's time to ship)
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On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 5:33 PM, Roy T. Fielding <fielding@gbiv.com> wrote:
> On Jan 9, 2011, at 4:47 PM, Willy Tarreau wrote:
>> "*" undoubtly has pros but it has cons too. A consensus was reached
>> on GET yesterday afer something like one month of poll. It's a bit
>> hard that a counter proposal is made the day after the consensus
>> that way.
>
> Yes, it's a bit hard.  OTOH, the poll was nonsense because it
> conflated multiple undesirable options, and I ignored it as such.
>
> In any case, the IETF does not make decisions by polling.
>
> What we are looking for is rough consensus and running code,
> and it is quite clear that we don't have either one at the moment.
> We should not be making any decisions -- we should be in bake-off
> mode.

Perhaps I should have titled my message "it's time to bake."  :)

Adam