Re: [hybi] deflate-stream and masking

Peter Saint-Andre <stpeter@stpeter.im> Wed, 20 July 2011 19:48 UTC

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Subject: Re: [hybi] deflate-stream and masking
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On 7/20/11 1:43 PM, Patrick McManus wrote:

> As for compression, the most productive thing to do seems to me to be to
> define in a separate draft deflate-frame and push it through the
> adoption/standardization process. No matter what is defined the
> extensions mechanism should (and does!) provide a mechanism for
> migration for any sensible protocol implementations.
>
> While I don't want to go to the mat for deflate-stream it certainly has
> a number of use cases where it does well - most downstream traffic of>
> tiny-sized messages, and large upstream messages - so I'm not in the
> camp of "just throw it out".

My reading of the discussion is that people don't necessarily want to 
throw out deflate-stream, but they don't think it belongs in the base 
spec and they would prefer to see it defined in a separate draft, just 
as you propose for deflate-frame.

Peter

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