Re: [hybi] Multiplexing: Pre-AddChannelResponse quota
Jamie Lokier <jamie@shareable.org> Tue, 26 June 2012 22:28 UTC
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From: Jamie Lokier <jamie@shareable.org>
To: Takeshi Yoshino <tyoshino@google.com>
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Subject: Re: [hybi] Multiplexing: Pre-AddChannelResponse quota
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Takeshi Yoshino wrote: > On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 9:17 PM, Jamie Lokier <[1]jamie@shareable.org> > wrote: > > Why not just send NewChannelSlots[ADD=3], instead of 3 > > NewChannelSlot messages? > The slot messages are wasteful if the server is happy to accept 1000 > low-usage slots from the beginning. > > > (C) receives FlowControl[ID=1, quota=1024] > > (C) receives FlowControl[ID=2, quota=1024] > > (C) receives FlowControl[ID=3, quota=1024] > > Now (C) is allowed to send pre-handshake data up to 1024 for each > of > > allocated slots. > > Why not just send NewChannelSlots[ADD=3,PER_CHANNEL_QUOTA=1024]? > > This is fine if we don't need a way to increase pre-handshake quota for > the slots after allocating them e.g. when the server gets more room for > processing after the allocation. So how do you do it in your scheme - resend FlowControl for each slot? In that case, do this: NewChannelSlots[ADD=0,PER_CHANNEL_QUOTA=2048] I suggest the per-channel quota, is a single value available to all new channels, not a different value per channel. Does it make sense to have different new-channel "sizes"? ADD increments the available quota for new channels, while PER_CHANNEL_QUOTA sets that, I guess. It's not allowed to reduce the data quota, unless we have an "optimistic" mechanism for retracting flow control in other ways as well, which a hop-by-hop extension might do. The message is, in effect, a flow control allocation to each new channel that hasn't been created yet. However, I wonder, if it decides to have more memory, why would the server increase the per-channel data quota instead of increasing the number of available slots? Is there a reason for one over the other? There may still a case for a shared pool of pre-handshake data quota instead, but it would need to be carefully done because memory can't be carved up arbitrarily; a per-channel overhead factor would be needed. -- Jamie
- [hybi] Multiplexing: Pre-AddChannelResponse quota Takeshi Yoshino
- Re: [hybi] Multiplexing: Pre-AddChannelResponse q… Arman Djusupov
- Re: [hybi] Multiplexing: Pre-AddChannelResponse q… Jamie Lokier
- Re: [hybi] Multiplexing: Pre-AddChannelResponse q… Arman Djusupov
- Re: [hybi] Multiplexing: Pre-AddChannelResponse q… Takeshi Yoshino
- Re: [hybi] Multiplexing: Pre-AddChannelResponse q… Takeshi Yoshino
- Re: [hybi] Multiplexing: Pre-AddChannelResponse q… Arman Djusupov
- Re: [hybi] Multiplexing: Pre-AddChannelResponse q… Arman Djusupov
- Re: [hybi] Multiplexing: Pre-AddChannelResponse q… Takeshi Yoshino
- Re: [hybi] Multiplexing: Pre-AddChannelResponse q… Arman Djusupov
- Re: [hybi] Multiplexing: Pre-AddChannelResponse q… Takeshi Yoshino
- Re: [hybi] Multiplexing: Pre-AddChannelResponse q… Arman Djusupov
- Re: [hybi] Multiplexing: Pre-AddChannelResponse q… Takeshi Yoshino
- Re: [hybi] Multiplexing: Pre-AddChannelResponse q… Arman Djusupov
- Re: [hybi] Multiplexing: Pre-AddChannelResponse q… Takeshi Yoshino
- Re: [hybi] Multiplexing: Pre-AddChannelResponse q… Arman Djusupov
- Re: [hybi] Multiplexing: Pre-AddChannelResponse q… Takeshi Yoshino
- Re: [hybi] Multiplexing: Pre-AddChannelResponse q… Arman Djusupov
- Re: [hybi] Multiplexing: Pre-AddChannelResponse q… Jamie Lokier
- Re: [hybi] Multiplexing: Pre-AddChannelResponse q… Takeshi Yoshino
- Re: [hybi] Multiplexing: Pre-AddChannelResponse q… Jamie Lokier
- Re: [hybi] Multiplexing: Pre-AddChannelResponse q… Arman Djusupov
- Re: [hybi] Multiplexing: Pre-AddChannelResponse q… Takeshi Yoshino
- Re: [hybi] Multiplexing: Pre-AddChannelResponse q… Takeshi Yoshino
- Re: [hybi] Multiplexing: Pre-AddChannelResponse q… Jamie Lokier
- Re: [hybi] Multiplexing: Pre-AddChannelResponse q… Takeshi Yoshino