Re: [hybi] Is there a traffic jam?
Greg Wilkins <gregw@webtide.com> Tue, 14 April 2009 07:09 UTC
Return-Path: <gregw@webtide.com>
X-Original-To: hybi@core3.amsl.com
Delivered-To: hybi@core3.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F1F13A6A5A for <hybi@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 14 Apr 2009 00:09:51 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2.545
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.545 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.054, BAYES_00=-2.599]
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mPdYm4og6Jai for <hybi@core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 14 Apr 2009 00:09:50 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail-gx0-f160.google.com (mail-gx0-f160.google.com [209.85.217.160]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 351AC3A6A97 for <hybi@ietf.org>; Tue, 14 Apr 2009 00:09:50 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by gxk4 with SMTP id 4so5281185gxk.13 for <hybi@ietf.org>; Tue, 14 Apr 2009 00:11:01 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by 10.90.89.18 with SMTP id m18mr1305403agb.0.1239693061244; Tue, 14 Apr 2009 00:11:01 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from ?10.10.1.12? (60-242-119-126.tpgi.com.au [60.242.119.126]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 8sm7575578agd.58.2009.04.14.00.10.59 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 14 Apr 2009 00:11:00 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <49E436FE.1020503@webtide.com>
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 17:10:54 +1000
From: Greg Wilkins <gregw@webtide.com>
User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090409)
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: Ian Hickson <ian@hixie.ch>, hybi@ietf.org
References: <03BCE29D-7AA5-4128-9F61-446E0229479A@lindenlab.com> <E51D5B15BFDEFD448F90BDD17D41CFF105A0C46E@AHQEX1.andrew.com> <Pine.LNX.4.62.0904132352430.10339@hixie.dreamhostps.com> <E51D5B15BFDEFD448F90BDD17D41CFF105A0C476@AHQEX1.andrew.com> <Pine.LNX.4.62.0904140002360.10339@hixie.dreamhostps.com> <1cb725390904131712k292a4860pbd078bb251d3855b@mail.gmail.com> <Pine.LNX.4.62.0904140031040.10339@hixie.dreamhostps.com> <1cb725390904131752u5842c039wb3d75602c479fa45@mail.gmail.com> <Pine.LNX.4.62.0904140053050.10339@hixie.dreamhostps.com> <49E3E229.2060907@webtide.com> <Pine.LNX.4.62.0904140110040.10339@hixie.dreamhostps.com> <49E3F218.4080209@webtide.com> <Pine.LNX.4.62.0904140248050.10339@hixie.dreamhostps.com> <49E40D7B.7090409@webtide.com> <Pine.LNX.4.62.0904140510380.10339@hixie.dreamhostps.com>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0904140510380.10339@hixie.dreamhostps.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Subject: Re: [hybi] Is there a traffic jam?
X-BeenThere: hybi@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9
Precedence: list
List-Id: Server-Initiated HTTP <hybi.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hybi>, <mailto:hybi-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/hybi>
List-Post: <mailto:hybi@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:hybi-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hybi>, <mailto:hybi-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 07:09:51 -0000
Ian Hickson wrote: > Come now. All you have to do to share a connection on the client is have a > single object that does all the sending and receiving, with a > corresponding piece of code on the server, which simply does three things: Ian, implementing multiplexing is not the pain point as there are a million ways to do it, ranging from trivial to amazingly complex. We can multi-plex over HTTP, yet it is still a paint point. The problem is getting everybody to agree to share and use the same multiplexing. Websocket presents a nice simple interface that is easy for web developers to use directly. So they will use it directly! As well as that, there will be dojo/jquery/prototype/mootools/yahoo/ext/etc wrappers. The situation on the server side is even more diverse with regards to servers and frameworks. There is ZERO chance that all these diverse communities will come together and decide on how to share and multiplex connections. Websockets will simply encourage direct consumption of connections. If you are really lucky, some frameworks might do their own multiplexing between their own widgets and frames. But with websocket, it simply will not happen that a common standard will easily/quickly emerge for sharing and multiplexing. regards
- [hybi] Is there a traffic jam? Mark Lentczner
- Re: [hybi] Is there a traffic jam? Thomson, Martin
- Re: [hybi] Is there a traffic jam? Ian Hickson
- Re: [hybi] Is there a traffic jam? Thomson, Martin
- Re: [hybi] Is there a traffic jam? Ian Hickson
- Re: [hybi] Is there a traffic jam? Paul Prescod
- Re: [hybi] Is there a traffic jam? Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] Is there a traffic jam? Rob Sayre
- Re: [hybi] Is there a traffic jam? Mario Balibrera
- Re: [hybi] Is there a traffic jam? Ian Hickson
- Re: [hybi] Is there a traffic jam? Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] Is there a traffic jam? Paul Prescod
- Re: [hybi] Is there a traffic jam? Ian Hickson
- Re: [hybi] Is there a traffic jam? Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] Is there a traffic jam? Paul Prescod
- Re: [hybi] Is there a traffic jam? Ian Hickson
- Re: [hybi] Is there a traffic jam? Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] Is there a traffic jam? Ian Hickson
- Re: [hybi] Is there a traffic jam? Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] Is there a traffic jam? Ian Hickson
- Re: [hybi] Is there a traffic jam? Sylvain Hellegouarch
- Re: [hybi] Is there a traffic jam? S. Mike Dierken
- Re: [hybi] Is there a traffic jam? S. Mike Dierken
- Re: [hybi] Is there a traffic jam? Sylvain Hellegouarch
- Re: [hybi] Is there a traffic jam? Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] Is there a traffic jam? Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] Is there a traffic jam? Sylvain Hellegouarch
- Re: [hybi] Is there a traffic jam? Anne van Kesteren
- Re: [hybi] Is there a traffic jam? Maciej Stachowiak
- Re: [hybi] Is there a traffic jam? Anne van Kesteren
- Re: [hybi] Is there a traffic jam? Sylvain Hellegouarch
- Re: [hybi] Is there a traffic jam? Anne van Kesteren
- Re: [hybi] Is there a traffic jam? Sylvain Hellegouarch
- Re: [hybi] Is there a traffic jam? Jamie Lokier
- Re: [hybi] Is there a traffic jam? Jamie Lokier
- Re: [hybi] Is there a traffic jam? Sylvain Hellegouarch
- Re: [hybi] Is there a traffic jam? Mario Balibrera
- Re: [hybi] Is there a traffic jam? Jamie Lokier
- Re: [hybi] Is there a traffic jam? Jamie Lokier
- Re: [hybi] Is there a traffic jam? Mike Dierken
- Re: [hybi] Is there a traffic jam? Jamie Lokier
- Re: [hybi] Is there a traffic jam? Maciej Stachowiak
- Re: [hybi] Is there a traffic jam? Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] Is there a traffic jam? Mike Dierken
- Re: [hybi] Is there a traffic jam? Sylvain Hellegouarch
- Re: [hybi] Is there a traffic jam? Sylvain Hellegouarch
- Re: [hybi] Is there a traffic jam? Mark Lentczner
- Re: [hybi] Is there a traffic jam? Paul Prescod
- Re: [hybi] Is there a traffic jam? Ian Hickson
- Re: [hybi] Is there a traffic jam? Paul Prescod
- Re: [hybi] Is there a traffic jam? Ian Hickson
- Re: [hybi] Is there a traffic jam? Thomson, Martin
- Re: [hybi] Is there a traffic jam? Ian Hickson
- Re: [hybi] Is there a traffic jam? Paul Prescod
- Re: [hybi] Is there a traffic jam? Paul Prescod
- Re: [hybi] Is there a traffic jam? Ian Hickson
- Re: [hybi] Is there a traffic jam? Ian Hickson
- Re: [hybi] Is there a traffic jam? Thomson, Martin
- Re: [hybi] Is there a traffic jam? Ian Hickson
- Re: [hybi] Is there a traffic jam? Jamie Lokier
- Re: [hybi] Is there a traffic jam? Ian Hickson
- Re: [hybi] Is there a traffic jam? Paul Prescod
- Re: [hybi] Is there a traffic jam? Greg Wilkins
- [hybi] How to define the WebSocket protocol (Was:… Ian Hickson
- Re: [hybi] How to define the WebSocket protocol (… Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] How to define the WebSocket protocol (… Ian Hickson
- Re: [hybi] How to define the WebSocket protocol (… Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] How to define the WebSocket protocol (… Pieter Hintjens