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Re: [hybi] WS framing alternative

Greg Wilkins <gregw@webtide.com> Fri, 06 November 2009 23:18 UTC

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Cc: "Roy T. Fielding" <fielding@gbiv.com>, hybi@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [hybi] WS framing alternative
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Pieter Hintjens wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 12:10 AM, Greg Wilkins <gregw@webtide.com> wrote:
> 
>> BWTP is currently a thought experiment with lots of possible outcomes...
> 
> Let's assume the desirable outcome is (c), a real protocol usefully
> solving real problems.
> 
> What I've missed for both BWTP and for WebSocket are clear statements
> of those problems.  Undocumented assumptions.  Greg, let's collect
> this for BWTP to start with: a solid list of the problems we are
> aiming to solve.  Then, we can examine alternative solutions, and that
> gives us the argumentation to justify BWTP, and for implementors to
> understand the cost/benefit tradeoffs that went into every decision.

I started penning some BWTP requirements, and it grew a little large
and became somewhat of a manifesto.

So I'll post it in it's own thread.

cheers

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