Re: [hybi] Is there a traffic jam?

"S. Mike Dierken" <mike@dierken.com> Tue, 14 April 2009 06:16 UTC

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I have the same wish - let most anybody write cool little event driven apps
in browsers and other web-enabled apps and devices.

However I do think that some of the heavy lifting and 'best practices'
should be done by the user-agents. I don't see that the raw low level byte
stream has to be presented to the casual programmer. But I also think the
low level stream can be simple enough for most slightly-more-than-casual
programmers to handle.

I don't understand what all the difficulty is around this discussion - the
rHTTP draft looks great & is pretty much was I was suggesting three years
ago. Let's put rHTTP into a browser and see what happens!




> I want to let people like my dad write little 
> scripts that do insignificant little things, just like today 
> people write CGI scripts for all kinds of stuff. I want to 
> let 12 year olds write multiplayer games. I want to let 
> someone who picked up HTML on Monday and CSS on Wednesday try 
> their hand at WebSockets on Friday. I want to support the 
> intern whose boss told him to put one of those interactive 
> chat widgets on the intranet.
 

> To reiterate: I have no objection to there being many protocols 
> standardised here. But I do want to make sure that at least 
> one of them 
> enables an inexperienced programmer to bang out an 
> interactive toy in a 
> few days without having to use libraries, just like they can 
> bang out a 
> CGI script today and get interaction in forms. Currently, of 
> the various 
> proposals, only one of them comes even close to this, IMHO.
>