Re: [hybi] #1: HTTP Compliance
Jamie Lokier <jamie@shareable.org> Thu, 22 July 2010 00:21 UTC
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From: Jamie Lokier <jamie@shareable.org>
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Subject: Re: [hybi] #1: HTTP Compliance
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Willy Tarreau wrote: > Hi Jamie, > > On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 12:38:34AM +0100, Jamie Lokier wrote: > > Willy Tarreau wrote: > > > On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 08:22:11AM -0700, Roberto Peon wrote: > > > > I believe Mike quoted numbers in an earlier thread. > > > > > > > > Just to be sure we're talking about the same thing, I'm talking about the > > > > UPGRADE feature of HTTP generically, and not as it applies to the current > > > > draft Websocket spec. > > > > > > I thought they were related to the current version since it also uses > > > Upgrade. Anyway, even if some don't support it yet, it will be easy > > > to detect bypass them based on simple rules. > > > > Um, will it? How would that work? [Good description of transparent proxies at ISPs with configurable HTTP-aware rules on the routers.] Ah, I thought you meant "It will be easy to bypass *broken transparent proxies* based on simple rules *in the WebSocket clients and/or servers*". I.e. how to cope when the request hits a transparent proxy that doesn't work and you're *not* the ISP. Failing as fast as possible, and recognising it as a failure, is highly desirable if we can manage that. I don't know if we can. It would need actual experiments on a broad cross-section of the net. -- Jamie
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