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Re: [hybi] Moving to a CONNECT-based handshake

Ian Fette (イアンフェッティ) <ifette@google.com> Tue, 30 November 2010 16:45 UTC

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Subject: Re: [hybi] Moving to a CONNECT-based handshake
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On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 8:44 AM, James Graham <jgraham@opera.com> wrote:

> On 11/30/2010 05:24 PM, Julian Reschke wrote:
>
>> On 30.11.2010 16:56, Simon Pieters wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> At Opera we do not plan to implement the new framing until the spec uses
>>> a CONNECT-based handshake. We support Adam and Eric's handshake proposal.
>>>
>>
>> What does the framing have to do with the switch from HTTP?
>>
>
> The point is that we are not likely to make an interim implementation of
> the latest framing but with the -00 handshake. It is not clear what others
> are planning to do here although at least the Chrome team were talking about
> an in-progress implementation of the new framing that predated the handshake
> discussion.
>
> It also seems clear from Adam's work that there are considerable problems
> with the existing Upgrade-based handshake. Therefore switching to the
> -abarth design, which is known to avoid many of these problems, seems like
> the correct way forward.
>
> As usual, I will point out that websockets -00 is currently deployed by
> multiple UAs. The longer that it takes to come to agreement about a final
> version that we can all implement, the smaller the chance of that final
> version supplanting -00.
>
>
I would be happy to ship abarth's proposal.

-Ian


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