Re: [hybi] Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks
Jamie Lokier <jamie@shareable.org> Wed, 03 February 2010 02:21 UTC
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From: Jamie Lokier <jamie@shareable.org>
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Subject: Re: [hybi] Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks
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Jamie Lokier wrote: > Greg Wilkins wrote: > > Maciej Stachowiak wrote: > > >> Then if we ever get HTTP/1.2 or HTTP/2.0, websocket will not break! > > > > > > If the client tries to upgrade an HTTP/1.1 request to WebSocket and the > > > server gives an HTTP/1.2 or HTTP/2.0 response, then it had better break! > > > We'll need to adjust the client side of the protocol before we can let > > > servers respond with different versions of HTTP. > > > > Why? > > > > Saying HTTP/1.2 in a response line does not make the response > > version 1.2. The version of the response is controlled by the version of > > the request. The version in the response says what the server is capable > > of. A HTTP/1.2 capable server should be able to server 1.0 websocket > > clients without further breaking the http protocol by hacking about its > > version for one particular upgrade protocol. > > This is not an issue, because a WebSocket server knows it's responding > to a WebSocket/1.0 client and can send the required response. The real trouble is how will a WebSocket/1.1 client interoperate with a WebSocket/1.0 server, without trying, failing, then starting another connection to try again which is wasteful and not entirely reliable. -- Jamie
- Re: [hybi] Fwd: Web sockets and existing HTTP sta… Jamie Lokier
- Re: [hybi] Fwd: Web sockets and existing HTTP sta… Greg Wilkins
- [hybi] Fwd: Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks Christian Biesinger
- Re: [hybi] Fwd: Web sockets and existing HTTP sta… Jamie Lokier
- Re: [hybi] Fwd: Web sockets and existing HTTP sta… Christian Biesinger
- Re: [hybi] Fwd: Web sockets and existing HTTP sta… Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] [whatwg] Web sockets and existing HTTP… Ian Hickson
- Re: [hybi] [whatwg] Web sockets and existing HTTP… Alexey Proskuryakov
- Re: [hybi] [whatwg] Web sockets and existing HTTP… Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] [whatwg] Web sockets and existing HTTP… Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] [whatwg] Web sockets and existing HTTP… Justin Erenkrantz
- Re: [hybi] [whatwg] Web sockets and existing HTTP… Jamie Lokier
- Re: [hybi] [whatwg] Web sockets and existing HTTP… Justin Erenkrantz
- Re: [hybi] [whatwg] Web sockets and existing HTTP… Jamie Lokier
- Re: [hybi] [whatwg] Web sockets and existing HTTP… Mark Nottingham
- Re: [hybi] [whatwg] Web sockets and existing HTTP… Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] [whatwg] Web sockets and existing HTTP… Ian Hickson
- Re: [hybi] [whatwg] Web sockets and existing HTTP… Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] [whatwg] Web sockets and existing HTTP… Pieter Hintjens
- Re: [hybi] Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks Ian Hickson
- Re: [hybi] Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks Justin Erenkrantz
- Re: [hybi] Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks Pieter Hintjens
- Re: [hybi] Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks Pieter Hintjens
- Re: [hybi] Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks L.Wood
- Re: [hybi] Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks Jamie Lokier
- Re: [hybi] Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks Jamie Lokier
- Re: [hybi] Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks Maciej Stachowiak
- Re: [hybi] Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks Justin Erenkrantz
- Re: [hybi] Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks SM
- Re: [hybi] Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks Mridul Muralidharan
- Re: [hybi] Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks Maciej Stachowiak
- Re: [hybi] Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks Mridul Muralidharan
- Re: [hybi] Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks Roberto Peon
- Re: [hybi] Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks Mark Nottingham
- Re: [hybi] Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks Pieter Hintjens
- Re: [hybi] Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks Mridul Muralidharan
- Re: [hybi] Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks Mridul Muralidharan
- Re: [hybi] Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks Jamie Lokier
- Re: [hybi] Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks Pieter Hintjens
- Re: [hybi] Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks Jamie Lokier
- Re: [hybi] Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks SM
- Re: [hybi] Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks Greg Wilkins
- [hybi] Sentinel framing. was: Web sockets and exi… Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks Roberto Peon
- Re: [hybi] Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks Maciej Stachowiak
- Re: [hybi] Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks Roberto Peon
- Re: [hybi] Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks Francis Brosnan Blazquez
- Re: [hybi] Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks Maciej Stachowiak
- Re: [hybi] Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks Jamie Lokier
- Re: [hybi] Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks Jamie Lokier
- Re: [hybi] Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks Jamie Lokier
- Re: [hybi] Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks Jamie Lokier
- Re: [hybi] Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks Jamie Lokier
- Re: [hybi] Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks Jamie Lokier
- Re: [hybi] Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks Jamie Lokier
- Re: [hybi] Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks Mridul Muralidharan
- Re: [hybi] Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks Mridul Muralidharan
- Re: [hybi] Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks Roberto Peon
- Re: [hybi] Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks Julian Reschke
- Re: [hybi] Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks Maciej Stachowiak
- Re: [hybi] Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks Roberto Peon
- Re: [hybi] Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks Maciej Stachowiak
- Re: [hybi] Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks Roberto Peon
- Re: [hybi] Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks Maciej Stachowiak
- Re: [hybi] Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks Vladimir Katardjiev
- Re: [hybi] Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks Maciej Stachowiak