Re: [hybi] hum #3: Message
Maciej Stachowiak <mjs@apple.com> Thu, 05 August 2010 21:17 UTC
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Subject: Re: [hybi] hum #3: Message
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On Aug 5, 2010, at 2:09 PM, Maciej Stachowiak wrote: > > On Aug 5, 2010, at 1:43 PM, Jack Moffitt wrote: > >>>> Sending a file from disk to the network without processing it in any way >>>> is more efficient than cutting it into slices and interleaving with headers. >>>> The IP layer is already going to cut it into slices, in a way that almost >>>> certainly won't line up with WebSocket-level fragment boundaries. >>> >>> There's no way to "send a file over the network without processing". You >>> need to read it into memory, and then write it to the network. Of course >>> adding frame headers *is* overhead, but it's really identical or close to >>> the overhead on the wire, nothing more. >> >> The kernel's sendfile() is responsible for a lot of the HTTP server >> optimization for static resources, and for this case, I think it is >> true that doing any framing that shows up in the middle of the file >> would lead to a big inefficiency. >> >> I'm not sure how useful this pattern is with dynamic data though. I >> think people will continue to send most static resources via regular >> HTTP because it is very, very good at it. > > I think there's definitely use cases for transferring large static resources over WebSocket. Consider syncing a media library where items may have been added on either end. Sync seems like a pretty likely target for WebSocket. You will want to do large static transfers in both directions, and it seems better to use the existing warmed-up WebSocket TCP connection than to make fresh HTTP connections. If it's an optional extension that intermediaries could ignore, that makes it unlikely that there will be a default expectation that it should be sent and have a correct value. Regards, Maciej
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