Re: [hybi] New port and Tunneling?
Salvatore Loreto <salvatore.loreto@ericsson.com> Wed, 18 August 2010 09:46 UTC
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Subject: Re: [hybi] New port and Tunneling?
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Hi Shelby, this thread has been quite intense (45 mails, quite long mail, in less three days) as chair I want to clarify that - a P2P approach is not in scope of this wg (pleae read the charter and check what is really the focus of this wg: http://tools.ietf.org/wg/hybi/charters ) - the HTTP Upgrade handshake has been in the protocol proposal since the first version of the spec (before it become a wg item for HyBi wg), this wg has then decided that if the Handshake is based on Upgrade and then looks like HTTP, it needs to be HTTP but at same time have to take in consideration the security problem higlighted in the discussion. Instead of continuing to discuss theoretically about it, I have asked people to provide text for an HTTP Upgrade handshake that reflect the decision and the concerns of the wg. - a TLS NPN approach as been proposed and several people, in the ml, have showed support for it. I have asked Adam to provide text describing/proposing an handshake solution using TLS/NPN he has kindly provided it in http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/hybi/current/msg03228.html I haven't seen any people in favor of your proposal, if you want still push for it then I suggest you to write down a design of how your solution would work, with a full and complete technical description of the handshake: describing what kind of NAT/Firewall you have in mind, how they are supposed to interact etc. etc. (as Adam has provided for TLS/NPN) so that people can eventually read your technical proposal and comment on the solution you are proposing. You can send the solution in a mail or write down in a draft and submit it to the IETF and then advertise it in this mailing list and then patiently wait for people to comment it if they are interested. Note also that this is not the right place to discuss the Security issues academically; this wg is to discuss and solve Security issues that can be generate from technical solutions within the current version of the WebSocketProtocol draft or from alternative design solutions proposed. regards /Sal -- Salvatore Loreto www.sloreto.com
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