Re: [hybi] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-hybi-thewebsocketprotocol-08.txt

Bjoern Hoehrmann <> Thu, 09 June 2011 14:10 UTC

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* Ian Fette wrote:
>Hixie is the editor of the HTML spec. He pointed out problems, they were
>addressed. I've a series of emails from him that I am happy to share if he
>does not mind (there's nothing private in them, but I don't make a habit of
>forwarding private correspondence.) As we have the luxury of meeting
>face-to-face, there were also face-to-face discussions to resolve stickier
>issues, along with a few late night IRC sessions on #whatwg.

When Google employees get together in private, decide to make changes,
and then post a document, without particularily telling the rest of us
what has changed, which issues have been addressed, which issues have
not been addressed, in fact, not even telling us what the issues were,
then that's not open and consensus-based vendor-independent standards

>Finally, I'm not sure what you expect to get from W3C that you're not
>getting from the people on this list. You've got the people implementing the
>API watching this list, that's the same subset of the people from W3C that
>would provide meaningful commentary about the spec.

The hybi charter requires the working group to consider any concerns
raised by the W3C. I expect people from the IESG or the community at
large will ask whether this has been done, and the easy way to answer
would be showing them records of the W3C confirming they have reviewed
the document and any issues they had have been addressed to their sa-

Arguing, instead, that we seem to have all the right people involved,
so such formalities are unnecessary, while at the same time people on
the list are working together to figure out what changes have been made
in the latest draft, would not be much of an answer to such questions.
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