Re: [hybi] Proposed way forward for WebSockets
Dave Cridland <dave@cridland.net> Tue, 27 July 2010 18:25 UTC
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Subject: Re: [hybi] Proposed way forward for WebSockets
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On Tue Jul 27 18:07:57 2010, Ian Fette (イアンフェッティ) wrote: > As for compression, there are a number of cases where today, via > using XHR > you get compression, and if you switched to WS you would lose > compression > (unless you did it at application level, where again the latency > question > would come up). Think e.g. suggest on google.com where you type > something > and get back a list of suggested search terms. This is something > that > compresses reasonably well and an example where we would not want > to lose > compression. Compression is an obvious extension to include in the base spec, because it's sufficiently straightforward to do and will prove the extension mechanism. I'd also suggest considering an inline TLS switch, since that makes deploying TLS-enabled WebSocket applications very much easier - it means that the URI scheme 'ws' does not prevent encryption. Done sufficiently cleverly, this could even be transparent to intermediaries aware of WebSockets, but that would need binary framing I think. Dave -- Dave Cridland - mailto:dave@cridland.net - xmpp:dwd@dave.cridland.net - acap://acap.dave.cridland.net/byowner/user/dwd/bookmarks/ - http://dave.cridland.net/ Infotrope Polymer - ACAP, IMAP, ESMTP, and Lemonade
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