Re: [I18ndir] I18NDIR advice and process (was: Re: I18ndir last call review of draft-ietf-regext-dnrd-objects-mapping-06)

[John C Klensin <[e-mail]>]

Pete,

Skipping to the bottom...

--On Friday, March 6, 2020 16:34 -0600 Pete Resnick
<[e-mail]> wrote:

>...
> I think "forbidden" is a bit dramatic. All that I was
> suggesting is that we (as a directorate) not try to tell ADs
> how they ought to run the Last Call process, or any other
> aspect of the process, unless that advice is solicited. (We
> are not an exceedingly shy bunch about privately telling ADs
> how to do their job, and I would not presume to tell anyone
> what they should or should not say to an AD in private, at
> least not in my capacity as cat-herder of this directorate.)

I don't think I was telling Barry, or Scott, or anyone else, how
to do their jobs.   I was making a suggestion about how, in my
personal but probably not adequately humble opinion, how things
could be expedited with this document. Barry is free to do with
that advice whatever he likes, a range of options that certainly
includes either ignoring it or telling me in vivid detail where
I would put it.  I have more than enough confidence in him to be
sure that he is aware of both opinions and hope that his
relationship with me is such that he knows that I would not be
particularly offended if he selected the second. 

And, in that context, _if_ he decides he wants to move forward
by bouncing the document back to the WG, "the WG is going to
have to consult us further" might be presumptuous but it is also
a statement of fact.  Unless you make the distinction between
"us" as the directorate and "us" as a bunch of individuals, the
reality is that substantially all of the expertise on these
matters, at a level deep enough to have participated usefully in
the discussion of the last 24 hours, and among people active in
the IETF ("active" as measured by participation in the WGs
concerned with these topics) are on this mailing list (or were a
year ago).  If you have other candidates, why haven't we
recruited them?  As you know, I did have a few from outside who
were ready to be brought in, but you know what happened to that
idea.  So, assuming the WG doesn't have the needed expertise and
perspective internally (if they did, we wouldn't be finding
these issues after IETF LC started) where else are you (or
Barry) going to send them?  I assume the answer isn't to someone
who thinks that all of the issues come down to the implications
of diacritical marks in two closely-related languages that both
use Latin script   The answer feels to me a whole lot like "us".

best,
   john