Re: [I18ndir] [IANA #1137949] Update to IDNA parameters registry of derived property values

[Martin J. Dürst <[e-mail]>]

Hello Michelle, Patrik, others,

On 2019/03/23 19:17, Patrik Fältström wrote:
> On 23 Mar 2019, at 11:04, Michelle Cotton via RT wrote:
> 
>> Hello Patrik,
>>
>> Apologies for the delayed response, I was on a plane.
> 
> Makes sense :-D
> 
>> Yes we have received this message and the tables have been updated.

Many thanks!

> Thank you very much!
> 
>     Patrik
> 
>> Please see:
>> https://www.iana.org/assignments/idna-tables-11.0.0/idna-tables-11.0.0.xhtml

This looks really good, including the note at the top with links which says:

 >>>>
Note
This registry is based on Unicode 11.0.0. Older versions of this registry:
[Unicode 5.2.0], [Unicode 6.0.0], [Unicode 6.1.0], [Unicode 6.2.0], 
[Unicode 6.3.0],
[Unicode 7.0.0], [Unicode 8.0.0], [Unicode 9.0.0], [Unicode 10.0.0]
 >>>>

>> Please let us know if there are any questions or concerns about the postings.
>> Thank you!

I'd make two suggestions for improvement.

First, when going to older versions, e.g.
https://www.iana.org/assignments/idna-tables-9.0.0/idna-tables-9.0.0.xml, 
it contains the same note, but only with links to even older version. If 
possible, it would be great to also have links to newer versions, or to 
a place that shows the newest version (or all versions).

Second, I think the entries on the https://www.iana.org/protocols page 
(please search for "IDNA Parameters") can be improved. There are 
currently 6 "IDNA Contextual Rules" entries and 6 "IDNA Derived 
Properties" entries, but they are not distinguished at all. The lists 
are not complete. The order is 6.3.0, 9.0.0, 8.0.0, 11.0.0, 7.0.0, 
10.0.0; at least it's the same for both kinds of entries. It also misses 
the entries for 5.2.0, Unicode 6.0.0, 6.1.0, and 6.2.0. I think the best 
thing (given that the https://www.iana.org/protocols page is already too 
long anyway) would be to only have one entry, to the latest version 
(currently 11.0.0), or to a list of versions, and clearly say so. The 
alternative is to list all versions, in a consistent order.

Regards,   Martin.


>>
>> Michelle
>>
>>
>> On Sat Mar 23 05:40:27 2019, [e-mail] wrote:
>>> Amanda, Michelle, can you let me know you have received this?
>>>
>>> Patrik
>>>
>>>> On 21 Mar 2019, at 21:51, Patrik Fältström <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I have checked the files you did send me and compared the XML files
>>>> with the same files I have produced.
>>>>
>>>> As I do not see any differences, I hereby say I do not see any
>>>> problems with having IANA making the tables with the derived property
>>>> values available.
>>>>
>>>> The review is based on the normative algorithm defined by IDNA2008,
>>>> and based on RFC6452 and draft-faltstrom-unicode11-08.txt no backward
>>>> compatible changes are to be made in the cases when changes in the
>>>> Unicode Standard have lead to non-backward compatible changes in the
>>>> derived property values when Unicode 6.0.0 and 11.0.0 was introduced.
>>>>
>>>> Patrik
>>>>
>>>>> On 21 Mar 2019, at 18:27, Amanda Baber via RT wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Patrik,
>>>>>
>>>>> When we were discussing these in June (subject line [IANA
>>>>> #1113325]), we sent drafts of the registries for 7.0.0, 8.0.0,
>>>>> 9.0.0, 10.0.0, and 11.0.0, and you said that you would be OK with
>>>>> posting those after the situation with the I-D was resolved. Would
>>>>> you be able to check these again and confirm that they're still OK
>>>>> to use, provided that we update the date at the top of each
>>>>> registry?
>>>>>
>>>>> thanks,
>>>>> Amanda
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu Mar 21 16:03:05 2019, [e-mail] wrote:
>>>>>>> On 21 Mar 2019, at 16:20, Patrik Fältström wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2. I do the same (I have done so), which I have done, and I send
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> a pointer to my result
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here is my data in the format you earlier wanted. If you want a
>>>>>> different format, let me know.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://stupid.domain.name/stuff/iana-11.0.0.csv>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Patrik
>>>>>>

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Prof. Dr.sc. Martin J. Dürst
Department of Intelligent Information Technology
College of Science and Engineering
Aoyama Gakuin University
Fuchinobe 5-1-10, Chuo-ku, Sagamihara
252-5258 Japan