Re: [I18ndir] Review volunteer needed (Fwd: [dispatch] WGLC of draft-ietf-dispatch-javascript-mjs-07)

John R Levine <johnl@taugh.com> Fri, 01 May 2020 01:58 UTC

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Subject: Re: [I18ndir] Review volunteer needed (Fwd: [dispatch] WGLC of draft-ietf-dispatch-javascript-mjs-07)
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> In terms of what draft-ietf-dispatch-javascript-mjs should say, there are two 
> disjoint paths we can decide to follow. The IETF can either document a 
> fantasy world of platonic solids that we all wish existed, which would have 
> virtually no practical application to implementors; or the IETF can document 
> the world as it exists today, warts and all, with decades of baked-in 
> unfortunate implementation decisions, and enable actual interoperability.

I don't think we're asking for ideologically pure documents, but this 
draft could use a lot of rewriting to say what it needs to say more 
clearly.  The "goal" stuff is particularly obtuse, and I say this as a 
guy who's written books on parsing tools.

If it is indeed the case that a lot of javascript mislabels the charset 
and you have to sniff the BOMs, so be it.  But surely we can limit the 
scope of awfulness, e.g., is anything mislabeled as other than UTF-8 or 
UTF-16?

Regards,
John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Taughannock Networks, Trumansburg NY
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