Re: [I18ndir] I-D on filesystem I18N
John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com> Wed, 08 July 2020 01:32 UTC
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Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2020 21:31:55 -0400
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Subject: Re: [I18ndir] I-D on filesystem I18N
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Just two quick comments - can't spend more time on this today: --On Tuesday, July 7, 2020 16:43 -0700 Asmus Freytag <asmusf@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > However, early case-insensitive file systems did not preserve > case. Not sure how rare this has become. Well, Unix, and every Unix-derived system I know of (definitely including Linux, FreeBSD, and NetBSD) are case-sensitive and getting anywhere near their file names with Case Folding or even lower casing will cause rather interesting problems. One the case-insensitive side, I've heard of a system called "Windows" that usually preserves case but does not guarantee to do so and many operations, in practice, don't. I assume I don't need to comment on how rare those systems are. In addition, Asmus caught at least one case where your terminology is inconsistent with that of Unicode. Such inconsistencies (at least if not specifically identified and justified) are an invitation to reader confusion or worse. As one more example, you should not be talking about case folding and then lower casing. They are different and have different implications. And, fwiw, most of my Turkish-speaking and writing colleagues would disagree that U+0131 "could" or should be considered equivalent to U+0069. In my experience, that would be considered even less correct than treating U+0061 and U+00FC as equivalent in Swedish or German. There are certainly theories and models that allow that, but they are closely related to the ones that suggest that the easy way to handle non-English languages on the Internet is by transliteration rather than dealing with all of those messy non-Latin, and maybe decorated Latin, scripts and writing systems. best, john
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- Re: [I18ndir] I-D on filesystem I18N Patrik Fältström
- Re: [I18ndir] I-D on filesystem I18N Nico Williams
- Re: [I18ndir] I-D on filesystem I18N Nico Williams
- Re: [I18ndir] I-D on filesystem I18N John C Klensin
- Re: [I18ndir] I-D on filesystem I18N Patrik Fältström
- Re: [I18ndir] I-D on filesystem I18N Nico Williams
- Re: [I18ndir] I-D on filesystem I18N Nico Williams
- Re: [I18ndir] I-D on filesystem I18N John C Klensin
- Re: [I18ndir] I-D on filesystem I18N Nico Williams
- Re: [I18ndir] I-D on filesystem I18N John C Klensin
- [I18ndir] Do we need an I18N WG? (Re: I-D on file… Nico Williams
- Re: [I18ndir] I-D on filesystem I18N Nico Williams
- Re: [I18ndir] I-D on filesystem I18N John C Klensin
- Re: [I18ndir] I-D on filesystem I18N Nico Williams
- Re: [I18ndir] I-D on filesystem I18N Asmus Freytag
- Re: [I18ndir] I-D on filesystem I18N John Levine
- Re: [I18ndir] I-D on filesystem I18N Nico Williams
- Re: [I18ndir] I-D on filesystem I18N John C Klensin
- Re: [I18ndir] I-D on filesystem I18N Nico Williams
- Re: [I18ndir] I-D on filesystem I18N Nico Williams
- Re: [I18ndir] I-D on filesystem I18N Asmus Freytag
- Re: [I18ndir] I-D on filesystem I18N Nico Williams
- Re: [I18ndir] I-D on filesystem I18N Asmus Freytag (c)
- Re: [I18ndir] I-D on filesystem I18N John R Levine
- Re: [I18ndir] I-D on filesystem I18N Nico Williams
- Re: [I18ndir] I-D on filesystem I18N Nico Williams
- Re: [I18ndir] I-D on filesystem I18N Nico Williams
- Re: [I18ndir] I-D on filesystem I18N Asmus Freytag (c)
- Re: [I18ndir] I-D on filesystem I18N Asmus Freytag (c)
- Re: [I18ndir] I-D on filesystem I18N Patrik Fältström
- Re: [I18ndir] I-D on filesystem I18N Patrik Fältström
- Re: [I18ndir] I-D on filesystem I18N John C Klensin
- Re: [I18ndir] I-D on filesystem I18N Nico Williams
- Re: [I18ndir] I-D on filesystem I18N Nico Williams
- Re: [I18ndir] I-D on filesystem I18N Patrik Fältström
- Re: [I18ndir] I-D on filesystem I18N Nico Williams
- Re: [I18ndir] I-D on filesystem I18N Nico Williams
- Re: [I18ndir] I-D on filesystem I18N Patrik Fältström
- Re: [I18ndir] I-D on filesystem I18N Asmus Freytag
- Re: [I18ndir] I-D on filesystem I18N Nico Williams
- Re: [I18ndir] I-D on filesystem I18N John R Levine
- Re: [I18ndir] I-D on filesystem I18N Nico Williams
- Re: [I18ndir] I-D on filesystem I18N John R Levine
- Re: [I18ndir] I-D on filesystem I18N Nico Williams
- Re: [I18ndir] I-D on filesystem I18N John Levine
- Re: [I18ndir] I-D on filesystem I18N Nico Williams
- Re: [I18ndir] I-D on filesystem I18N Nico Williams
- Re: [I18ndir] I-D on filesystem I18N Nico Williams
- Re: [I18ndir] I-D on filesystem I18N Nico Williams