Re: [I18ndir] I18ndir early review of draft-ietf-dispatch-javascript-mjs-07

John R Levine <johnl@taugh.com> Mon, 11 May 2020 16:55 UTC

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Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 12:55:26 -0400
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From: John R Levine <johnl@taugh.com>
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> At this point, I’m afraid the ship has sailed. Introducing yet another MIME
> type *now* is unlikely to gain adoption in the HTML Standard, browsers, or
> on the web (because it wouldn’t be backwards compatible). Let’s not publish
> specs that intentionally conflict with both the HTML Standard and web
> reality.

It actually would be backward compatible because of the advice to use 
Accept media types to tell when to send which media type, but if browsers 
aren't going to do it, I guess we put a warning in the security section 
and give up.

> It’s not entirely harmless. The following JS program behaves differently if
> it’s preceded by a BOM:
>
> #!/usr/bin/env bash

I really don't want to know when self-running shell scripts became part of 
Ecmascript.

Regards,
John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Taughannock Networks, Trumansburg NY
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