Re: [I18ndir] I-D on filesystem I18N
Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com> Wed, 08 July 2020 05:49 UTC
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Subject: Re: [I18ndir] I-D on filesystem I18N
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On Wed, Jul 08, 2020 at 07:14:27AM +0200, Patrik Fältström wrote: > On 7 Jul 2020, at 21:16, John C Klensin wrote: > > However, with regard to doing that sort of collaboration > > (independent of a few reviews of documents from assorted IETF WGs), > > the directorate seems to be both disfunctional and lacking any form > > of leadership or guidance. And, if we can't get enough > > collaboration (or some form of aggressive push-back), I think the > > experience with RFC 8753 and with 5891bis strongly suggests that > > more work on any of those documents may be a waste of effort. > > I agree with this, but I think we also agree one of the problems is a > combination of lack of time and competence. > > I think we because of this have a few different (!) problems to work > with: > > - How do people that have competence get more time? > > - How do we grow the number of people that do have competence? Not by giving up. And not by being a directorate, which is invitation-only. I was asked if I wanted to join. I joined. I was given an assignment, and I did it. If the chairs are not giving out enough assignments, then maybe we need new chairs. If we're not reviewing our own work, then maybe we should be a WG rather than a directorate, which would have the main benefit of being more accessible to newcomers. > - What do we do in the meantime? > > Unfortunately I think this list/ad-hoc-group (I do not want to call it > directorate really because of the "low quality review process we > have", because although we have a somewhat dysfunctional process, we > do have a process, we do have a group of people on this list, and > sometimes some of us do have a few cycles to spare. How can a directorate be disfunctional? Well, either by having chairs or secretaries who don't give out assignments, by having members who shirk assignments, or both. Both problems are a matter of cajoling the relevant people until they performed their assigned duties or quit the chair or group. Nico --
- [I18ndir] I-D on filesystem I18N Nico Williams
- Re: [I18ndir] I-D on filesystem I18N Patrik Fältström
- Re: [I18ndir] I-D on filesystem I18N Nico Williams
- Re: [I18ndir] I-D on filesystem I18N Nico Williams
- Re: [I18ndir] I-D on filesystem I18N John C Klensin
- Re: [I18ndir] I-D on filesystem I18N Patrik Fältström
- Re: [I18ndir] I-D on filesystem I18N Nico Williams
- Re: [I18ndir] I-D on filesystem I18N Nico Williams
- Re: [I18ndir] I-D on filesystem I18N John C Klensin
- Re: [I18ndir] I-D on filesystem I18N Nico Williams
- Re: [I18ndir] I-D on filesystem I18N John C Klensin
- [I18ndir] Do we need an I18N WG? (Re: I-D on file… Nico Williams
- Re: [I18ndir] I-D on filesystem I18N Nico Williams
- Re: [I18ndir] I-D on filesystem I18N John C Klensin
- Re: [I18ndir] I-D on filesystem I18N Nico Williams
- Re: [I18ndir] I-D on filesystem I18N Asmus Freytag
- Re: [I18ndir] I-D on filesystem I18N John Levine
- Re: [I18ndir] I-D on filesystem I18N Nico Williams
- Re: [I18ndir] I-D on filesystem I18N John C Klensin
- Re: [I18ndir] I-D on filesystem I18N Nico Williams
- Re: [I18ndir] I-D on filesystem I18N Nico Williams
- Re: [I18ndir] I-D on filesystem I18N Asmus Freytag
- Re: [I18ndir] I-D on filesystem I18N Nico Williams
- Re: [I18ndir] I-D on filesystem I18N Asmus Freytag (c)
- Re: [I18ndir] I-D on filesystem I18N John R Levine
- Re: [I18ndir] I-D on filesystem I18N Nico Williams
- Re: [I18ndir] I-D on filesystem I18N Nico Williams
- Re: [I18ndir] I-D on filesystem I18N Nico Williams
- Re: [I18ndir] I-D on filesystem I18N Asmus Freytag (c)
- Re: [I18ndir] I-D on filesystem I18N Asmus Freytag (c)
- Re: [I18ndir] I-D on filesystem I18N Patrik Fältström
- Re: [I18ndir] I-D on filesystem I18N Patrik Fältström
- Re: [I18ndir] I-D on filesystem I18N John C Klensin
- Re: [I18ndir] I-D on filesystem I18N Nico Williams
- Re: [I18ndir] I-D on filesystem I18N Nico Williams
- Re: [I18ndir] I-D on filesystem I18N Patrik Fältström
- Re: [I18ndir] I-D on filesystem I18N Nico Williams
- Re: [I18ndir] I-D on filesystem I18N Nico Williams
- Re: [I18ndir] I-D on filesystem I18N Patrik Fältström
- Re: [I18ndir] I-D on filesystem I18N Asmus Freytag
- Re: [I18ndir] I-D on filesystem I18N Nico Williams
- Re: [I18ndir] I-D on filesystem I18N John R Levine
- Re: [I18ndir] I-D on filesystem I18N Nico Williams
- Re: [I18ndir] I-D on filesystem I18N John R Levine
- Re: [I18ndir] I-D on filesystem I18N Nico Williams
- Re: [I18ndir] I-D on filesystem I18N John Levine
- Re: [I18ndir] I-D on filesystem I18N Nico Williams
- Re: [I18ndir] I-D on filesystem I18N Nico Williams
- Re: [I18ndir] I-D on filesystem I18N Nico Williams
- Re: [I18ndir] I-D on filesystem I18N Nico Williams