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Re: [I18nrp] Conservatism principle doesn't go far enough

Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com> Mon, 04 February 2019 04:33 UTC

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From: Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com>
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Subject: Re: [I18nrp] Conservatism principle doesn't go far enough
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On Sun, Feb 03, 2019 at 08:45:50PM -0500, John Levine wrote:
> In article <20190203234846.GA4108@localhost> you write:
> >font, say, modulo accessibility), is another story.  I think I'd prefer
> >to see the Unicode and some danger warning, or perhaps hide the URI and
> >when I try to see it tell me it's dangerous and why.
> 
> You might well, but I doubt that most users would.
> 
> I've seen examples of mixed direction labels which overlay so that it
> looks like microsoft.com although it's really
> microsoft.something.something.something.com.  I doubt that any
> explanatory text would persuade the generic grandma that it's not
> really microsoft.com and the computer is just being silly again.
> 
> If there's nothing useful the normal user can do with it, don't
> display it.

I mean, don't display the page at all either then.

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