[I18nrp] next steps

Larry Masinter <LMM@acm.org> Tue, 24 July 2018 03:05 UTC

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Is it time to talk about specific drafts?

This seems more general:

There is a problem in RFC 6365 “Terminology used…” that I think is at the core: It seems to imply that the way to compute equivalence of strings REQUIRES normalization to allow determining a~b iff normalize(a)==normalize(b). 
But in general, the equivalence relations one might want, for usability reasons, don’t have an acceptable normal form.

Continuing to put in normalization as an essential step is doomed to failure. Some protocols may need to be redefined to allow non-normalized strings. 

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