Re: [I18nrp] Conservatism principle doesn't go far enough

Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com> Mon, 04 February 2019 04:34 UTC

Return-Path: <nico@cryptonector.com>
X-Original-To: i18nrp@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: i18nrp@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2ADD130DEC for <i18nrp@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sun, 3 Feb 2019 20:34:57 -0800 (PST)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cryptonector.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zB0T8VNeVlmw for <i18nrp@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sun, 3 Feb 2019 20:34:56 -0800 (PST)
Received: from otter.birch.relay.mailchannels.net (otter.birch.relay.mailchannels.net [23.83.209.139]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E1FEE130DE4 for <i18nrp@ietf.org>; Sun, 3 Feb 2019 20:34:55 -0800 (PST)
X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|nico@cryptonector.com
Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CBCF502813; Mon, 4 Feb 2019 04:34:54 +0000 (UTC)
Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a28.g.dreamhost.com (unknown [100.96.30.62]) (Authenticated sender: dreamhost) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 3C833502B1F; Mon, 4 Feb 2019 04:34:54 +0000 (UTC)
X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|nico@cryptonector.com
Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a28.g.dreamhost.com (pop.dreamhost.com [64.90.62.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 0.0.0.0:2500 (trex/5.16.2); Mon, 04 Feb 2019 04:34:54 +0000
X-MC-Relay: Neutral
X-MailChannels-SenderId: dreamhost|x-authsender|nico@cryptonector.com
X-MailChannels-Auth-Id: dreamhost
X-Shoe-Skirt: 65c531633d1b08dc_1549254894378_240808055
X-MC-Loop-Signature: 1549254894378:781605480
X-MC-Ingress-Time: 1549254894377
Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a28.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a28.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D92C080AA2; Sun, 3 Feb 2019 20:34:53 -0800 (PST)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=cryptonector.com; h=date :from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:in-reply-to; s=cryptonector.com; bh=1Q9nX8FDfwlJ9w y40B5JfcKmeyU=; b=h+3Ll47ZDME0e7BAWUt+mzANSQ7refp7b3BmigyNVcvPqT hMYGBy1n7E3BBnYXYYaeOidijmHQJ4uh2qGgSgvn10/OAgRW364TqPo0OXCp/mA0 vrCD/uIkbv7wA9P3dw80MAqlG+QrERa1sb0s/rBGXIBNyTaZLtbRIT5dMEg4M=
Received: from localhost (unknown [24.28.108.183]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: nico@cryptonector.com) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a28.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 321A980AA1; Sun, 3 Feb 2019 20:34:52 -0800 (PST)
Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2019 22:34:50 -0600
X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a28
From: Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com>
To: "Asmus Freytag (c)" <asmusf@ix.netcom.com>
Cc: i18nrp@ietf.org
Message-ID: <20190204043449.GC4108@localhost>
References: <20190201021802.A5160200D93BBA@ary.qy> <4C0F3C8D65FB57C697E72F8D@PSB> <016001d4bb75$15350130$3f9f0390$@acm.org> <a956b63b-cff0-5df3-b7fc-511274542349@ix.netcom.com> <20190203234846.GA4108@localhost> <1c176e53-2f27-ca83-7e59-52099021ddcd@ix.netcom.com>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Content-Disposition: inline
In-Reply-To: <1c176e53-2f27-ca83-7e59-52099021ddcd@ix.netcom.com>
User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.4 (2018-02-28)
X-VR-OUT-STATUS: OK
X-VR-OUT-SCORE: -100
X-VR-OUT-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedtledrkeefgdejudcutefuodetggdotefrodftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucggtfgfnhhsuhgsshgtrhhisggvpdfftffgtefojffquffvnecuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecusecvtfgvtghiphhivghnthhsucdlqddutddtmdenucfjughrpeffhffvuffkfhggtggujggfsehttdertddtredvnecuhfhrohhmpefpihgtohcuhghilhhlihgrmhhsuceonhhitghosegtrhihphhtohhnvggtthhorhdrtghomheqnecukfhppedvgedrvdekrddutdekrddukeefnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhhouggvpehsmhhtphdphhgvlhhopehlohgtrghlhhhoshhtpdhinhgvthepvdegrddvkedruddtkedrudekfedprhgvthhurhhnqdhprghthheppfhitghoucghihhllhhirghmshcuoehnihgtohestghrhihpthhonhgvtghtohhrrdgtohhmqedpmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehnihgtohestghrhihpthhonhgvtghtohhrrdgtohhmpdhnrhgtphhtthhopehnihgtohestghrhihpthhonhgvtghtohhrrdgtohhmnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptd
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/i18nrp/M2yf2LHD_P1t_24rTRWyJcEj8Ek>
Subject: Re: [I18nrp] Conservatism principle doesn't go far enough
X-BeenThere: i18nrp@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: Internationalization Review Procedures <i18nrp.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/i18nrp>, <mailto:i18nrp-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/i18nrp/>
List-Post: <mailto:i18nrp@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:i18nrp-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i18nrp>, <mailto:i18nrp-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2019 04:34:58 -0000

On Sun, Feb 03, 2019 at 06:52:38PM -0800, Asmus Freytag (c) wrote:
> No disagreement here. However, the question was, should all string that are
> entered by users as unnormalized be displayed as A-labels?

No!  If it was entered by the user (and it's not punycoded), then
normalize.