Re: [I18nrp] Last Call: <draft-faltstrom-unicode11-05.txt> (IDNA2008 and Unicode 11.0.0) to Informational RFC
"Patrik Fältström " <paf@frobbit.se> Fri, 07 December 2018 06:16 UTC
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Subject: Re: [I18nrp] Last Call: <draft-faltstrom-unicode11-05.txt>
(IDNA2008 and Unicode 11.0.0) to Informational RFC
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On 7 Dec 2018, at 7:12, John C Klensin wrote: > But I still believe that, with appropriate qualification, Larry is still correct. I think we dive into the details here. 1. I think the ability (for example) copy and paste, respond to, click on, save in bookmarks etc is the most important global requirement 2. The ability to type, to enter via a keyboard, read on a bus, etc is secondary and have localization issues so very much different than (1) My point was that because of this, I think retypable is very very very much different than other, global, requirements, and the latter should not (I think) muddy the waters of the first requirement I list above. paf
- [I18nrp] Last Call: <draft-faltstrom-unicode11-05… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [I18nrp] Last Call: <draft-faltstrom-unicode1… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [I18nrp] Last Call: <draft-faltstrom-unicode1… John C Klensin
- Re: [I18nrp] Last Call: <draft-faltstrom-unicode1… Asmus Freytag
- Re: [I18nrp] Last Call: <draft-faltstrom-unicode1… Asmus Freytag
- Re: [I18nrp] Last Call: <draft-faltstrom-unicode1… Patrik Fältström
- Re: [I18nrp] Last Call: <draft-faltstrom-unicode1… Patrik Fältström
- Re: [I18nrp] Last Call: <draft-faltstrom-unicode1… Patrik Fältström
- Re: [I18nrp] Last Call: <draft-faltstrom-unicode1… Patrik Fältström
- Re: [I18nrp] Last Call: <draft-faltstrom-unicode1… John C Klensin
- Re: [I18nrp] Last Call: <draft-faltstrom-unicode1… John C Klensin
- Re: [I18nrp] Last Call: <draft-faltstrom-unicode1… Patrik Fältström
- Re: [I18nrp] Last Call: <draft-faltstrom-unicode1… Patrik Fältström
- Re: [I18nrp] Last Call: <draft-faltstrom-unicode1… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [I18nrp] Last Call: <draft-faltstrom-unicode1… Asmus Freytag
- Re: [I18nrp] Last Call: <draft-faltstrom-unicode1… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [I18nrp] Last Call: <draft-faltstrom-unicode1… Asmus Freytag
- Re: [I18nrp] Last Call: <draft-faltstrom-unicode1… Asmus Freytag
- Re: [I18nrp] Last Call: <draft-faltstrom-unicode1… Patrik Fältström
- Re: [I18nrp] Last Call: <draft-faltstrom-unicode1… Asmus Freytag (c)
- Re: [I18nrp] Last Call: <draft-faltstrom-unicode1… John C Klensin
- Re: [I18nrp] Last Call: <draft-faltstrom-unicode1… Patrik Fältström
- Re: [I18nrp] Last Call: <draft-faltstrom-unicode1… Larry Masinter
- Re: [I18nrp] Last Call: <draft-faltstrom-unicode1… Patrik Fältström
- Re: [I18nrp] Last Call: <draft-faltstrom-unicode1… Larry Masinter
- Re: [I18nrp] Last Call: <draft-faltstrom-unicode1… John C Klensin
- Re: [I18nrp] Last Call: <draft-faltstrom-unicode1… John C Klensin
- Re: [I18nrp] Last Call: <draft-faltstrom-unicode1… Patrik Fältström
- Re: [I18nrp] Last Call: <draft-faltstrom-unicode1… John C Klensin
- Re: [I18nrp] Last Call: <draft-faltstrom-unicode1… Nico Williams
- Re: [I18nrp] [Idna-update] Last Call: <draft-falt… Vint Cerf
- Re: [I18nrp] [Idna-update] Last Call: <draft-falt… Nico Williams
- Re: [I18nrp] [Idna-update] Last Call: <draft-falt… John C Klensin
- Re: [I18nrp] Last Call: <draft-faltstrom-unicode1… Asmus Freytag (c)
- Re: [I18nrp] Last Call: <draft-faltstrom-unicode1… Asmus Freytag (c)
- Re: [I18nrp] Last Call: <draft-faltstrom-unicode1… Asmus Freytag (c)
- Re: [I18nrp] Last Call: <draft-faltstrom-unicode1… Asmus Freytag (c)
- Re: [I18nrp] [Idna-update] Last Call: <draft-falt… Asmus Freytag (c)
- Re: [I18nrp] [Idna-update] Last Call: <draft-falt… Nico Williams
- Re: [I18nrp] [Idna-update] Last Call: <draft-falt… Nico Williams
- Re: [I18nrp] [Idna-update] Last Call: <draft-falt… Shawn Steele
- Re: [I18nrp] Last Call: <draft-faltstrom-unicode1… Larry Masinter
- Re: [I18nrp] Last Call: <draft-faltstrom-unicode1… Larry Masinter
- Re: [I18nrp] Last Call: <draft-faltstrom-unicode1… John C Klensin
- Re: [I18nrp] Last Call: <draft-faltstrom-unicode1… Asmus Freytag (c)
- Re: [I18nrp] Last Call: <draft-faltstrom-unicode1… Larry Masinter
- Re: [I18nrp] Last Call: <draft-faltstrom-unicode1… Asmus Freytag (c)
- Re: [I18nrp] Last Call: <draft-faltstrom-unicode1… Larry Masinter
- Re: [I18nrp] Last Call: <draft-faltstrom-unicode1… John C Klensin
- Re: [I18nrp] Last Call: <draft-faltstrom-unicode1… Asmus Freytag (c)
- Re: [I18nrp] Last Call: <draft-faltstrom-unicode1… Larry Masinter
- Re: [I18nrp] [Idna-update] Last Call: <draft-falt… Martin J. Dürst
- Re: [I18nrp] Last Call: <draft-faltstrom-unicode1… Martin J. Dürst
- Re: [I18nrp] Last Call: <draft-faltstrom-unicode1… Martin J. Dürst
- Re: [I18nrp] Last Call: <draft-faltstrom-unicode1… Martin J. Dürst