Re: [I18nrp] Conservatism principle doesn't go far enough

"Patrik Fältström " <paf@frobbit.se> Mon, 04 February 2019 03:53 UTC

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Subject: Re: [I18nrp] Conservatism principle doesn't go far enough
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On 4 Feb 2019, at 3:52, Asmus Freytag (c) wrote:

> No disagreement here; we were talking about how to "display" something - that's not a function of the DNS.

You also have to look at the larger picture.

1. The string is coming from "somewhere". Where is that?

2. The string is passed to the browser. How?

3. The browser want to display something in the address bar. What?

4. What is to be displayed is to be rendered. What is rendered?

5. The string is also to be acted upon. What is the process?

6. As part of the action, some DNS lookups might be done on a substring. Which one?

I think the question here is conflating too many things. Including statements like "case mapping". As we know the mapping in reality is either "to lower case" or "to upper case" and they are not isomorphic functions, we have to be specific even there.

   paf