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Asmus Freytag <asmusf@ix.netcom.com> Wed, 05 December 2018 18:10 UTC

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Subject: Re: [I18nrp] Appropriate status for draft-faltstrom-unicode11-05
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On 12/5/2018 12:03 AM, Patrik Fältström wrote:
> On 4 Dec 2018, at 22:18, Ted Hardie wrote:
>
>> The simplest way to do that, though, would be to mark 6452 as historic.


This appears to be part of a comment that I did not receive.

>
> I disagree. I think it is important to have it recorded that IETF for Unicode version 6.0 decided to explicitly follow the Unicode Standard. Just like this draft of mine when becoming an RFC says the same to Unicode 11.0.0.
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> These two could be historic together with a complete new document replacing not only these two but also for example 5892.
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> To conclude: after following the discussions my view is that even if this draft suggest not to update 5892, it could have done so, and because of that this draft of mine IS an update to 5892. Just like 6452 is.


I'm not sure I follow that logic. Concluding that there is no need to 
modify RFC 5892 is different from modifying it.

I also have qualms about your shorthand expression "follow the Unicode 
standard". What you are really saying is that you have reached the 
conclusion that if "IETF follows the process laid down in RFC 5892 for 
applying Unicode properties the result includes no instances that 
warrant an explicit exception".

That phrasing has a subtly different emphasis, that I think is worth 
retaining.

A./


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> But of course I will as an author follow whatever the outcome of this discussion will be.
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>     Patrik
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