Re: [I18nrp] Mappings for IDNA2008 ?

Martin J. Dürst <duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp> Wed, 06 February 2019 11:05 UTC

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From: "Martin J. Dürst" <duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp>
To: "Asmus Freytag (c)" <asmusf@ix.netcom.com>, John Levine <johnl@taugh.com>, "i18nrp@ietf.org" <i18nrp@ietf.org>
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Subject: Re: [I18nrp] Mappings for IDNA2008 ?
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On 2019/02/05 13:24, Asmus Freytag (c) wrote:
> On 2/4/2019 5:24 PM, John Levine wrote:
>> In article <72f9f7c0-b7ec-069e-f954-a45c85e103a1@ix.netcom.com> you 
>> write:
>>> Now you are going in circles.
>> No, this is the third time I'm asking for mappings other than the 
>> generic one.
>>
>>
> Who would you think would be the one provide free and ready-to-use 
> mappings that are specific to some target context (country, language, 
> zone)?

Just some wild (but hopefully ultimately productive) guesses:

- The ICANN Universal Acceptance effort might if they think it will
   help with adoption of IDNs.

- Some national registry (e.g. for Turkey or Iran) might have the
   expertise to recommend what's appropriate for the major language(s)
   in that country.

- Somebody may be able to explain what data in CLDR would be helpful
   to create such mappings (rather than pointing out that some text
   in a spec has a pointer to CLDR). I don't know to what extent this
   might work or not, though.

- There may be some clever way to derive (part of some) mappings from
   LGR files that are (being) developed at ICANN.

Some of the above ideas in combination may also help. In addition, as 
Asmus is continuing to argue lower down in the thread, the generic 
mapping is a very good start; the examples that have come up so far all 
are about a few little (but of course important) tweaks at most.

Regards,    Martin.