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Re: [I18nrp] Last Call: <draft-faltstrom-unicode11-05.txt> (IDNA2008 and Unicode 11.0.0) to Informational RFC

Larry Masinter <LMM@acm.org> Fri, 07 December 2018 00:59 UTC

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Subject: Re: [I18nrp] Last Call: <draft-faltstrom-unicode11-05.txt> (IDNA2008 and Unicode 11.0.0) to Informational RFC
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Registries should be conservative in the sense of advising their clients
about the likely usability of the registered name among their target
audience.
I don't think the IDNA RFCs currently are conservative enough. As I've noted
before, usability includes "re-enterable" (including "retypable") .



> -----Original Message-----
> From: i18nRP <i18nrp-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Patrik Fältström
> Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2018 2:44 AM
> To: Asmus Freytag <asmusf@ix.netcom.com>
> Cc: i18nrp@ietf.org; Paul Hoffman <paul.hoffman@vpnc.org>
> Subject: Re: [I18nrp] Last Call: <draft-faltstrom-unicode11-05.txt>
(IDNA2008
> and Unicode 11.0.0) to Informational RFC
> 
> On 5 Dec 2018, at 19:03, Asmus Freytag (c) wrote:
> 
> >>
> >>     3. Registries should not "just" allow all PVALID (etc.) code
points, but also
> include a conservative registration policy
> >>
> >
> > add:
> >
> > "as mandated in RFCs <get the IDNA RFC citations from John Klensin's
draft
> here>."
> 
> Correct, I blame my Swenglish dialect for the mistake in wording I did.
> 
>    paf

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