Re: [I18nrp] Internationalization and Localization (was: Re: charter -01)
"Jiankang Yao" <yaojk@cnnic.cn> Fri, 17 August 2018 01:57 UTC
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Subject: Re: [I18nrp] Internationalization and Localization (was: Re:
charter -01)
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Dear John, Thanks a lot. Some comments below. From: John C Klensin Date: 2018-08-17 08:03 To: yaojk CC: Hollenbeck, Scott; i18nrp Subject: Internationalization and Localization (was: Re: [I18nrp] charter -01) > > How would you describe the use of, e.g., Arabic script > characters in China? And is use of Latin characters to write > Hanyu Pinyin a localization or an internationalization matter? > Is the distinction between Simplified and Traditional Chinese > characters a localization matter or an internationalization one? > Different people from different culture, different area and different country might have different interpretation about internationalization. The answers might vary depending on different situations. In the technology field of IETF, if we have a very clear definition of internationalization, we can have a clear answer to the questions raised above. > > This really bothers me because it seems to imply that having a > Chinese speaker communicate with an Arabic one, a Tamil speaker > interact with a Hindi one, or even communication between a > speaker of French and one of German, are irrelevant and that the > only issues of interest are > <some local language> <-> English > It proves that internationalization is a complex issue. > Again, I don't >think we should hold the directorate charter up while we resolve >those definitional issues. > I agree with you here. Best Regards Jiankang Yao >best, > john
- [I18nrp] charter -01 Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [I18nrp] charter -01 Phillips, Addison
- Re: [I18nrp] charter -01 Patrik Fältström
- Re: [I18nrp] charter -01 Hollenbeck, Scott
- Re: [I18nrp] charter -01 Spencer Dawkins at IETF
- Re: [I18nrp] charter -01 Nico Williams
- Re: [I18nrp] charter -01 Patrik Fältström
- Re: [I18nrp] charter -01 Asmus Freytag
- Re: [I18nrp] charter -01 Jiankang Yao
- Re: [I18nrp] charter -01 Hollenbeck, Scott
- [I18nrp] Time to take a half-step back? (was: Re:… John C Klensin
- [I18nrp] Internationalization and Localization (w… John C Klensin
- Re: [I18nrp] Internationalization and Localizatio… Jiankang Yao
- Re: [I18nrp] charter -01 Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [I18nrp] Time to take a half-step back? (was:… Spencer Dawkins at IETF
- Re: [I18nrp] Time to take a half-step back? (was:… Peter Saint-Andre