Re: [I2nsf] Magnus Westerlund's Discuss on draft-ietf-i2nsf-capability-data-model-12: (with DISCUSS)

Magnus Westerlund <magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com> Mon, 28 September 2020 14:35 UTC

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Hi,

On Fri, 2020-09-25 at 11:08 -0400, Susan Hares wrote:
> Magnus: 
> 
> Do you have specific transport people that you have assigned to work on this
> review?  

No, I missed that Roman had deferred this document and tried to look at it and
was personally unable to review it due to lack of content of what was intended.
There are not enought there to even understand what the high level purpose was
for those features related to transport protocol. 

I think this should be reviewed by a TSVART reviewer. I have requested a review,
as this document was unfortuantely missed by the triage. 

> 
> It would probably be more effective to discuss these issues point by point
> with the reviewers.  
> As Paul has indicated, we would like to your issues in the context of the
> high level capabilities of this  model. 

> 
> Thank you for letting us know you felt it was too high level and did not
> have text to map to transport layer values.  Paul and his students have
> implemented this to specific transport layer values to our view that it
> could be implemented.    It is always difficult in a higher level data model
> to determine how much detail to put in.   We'd love to work this issue with
> your expert. 

Yes, I most definitely thought it was only alluding to some function related to
particular protocol. 

Cheers

Magnus Westerlund 


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