Re: [I2nsf] draft-ietf-i2nsf-capability-05 is officially removed from I2NSF WG ( was RE: Is there any objection of sunset the I2NSF Capabilities Information Model Draft and merge the relevant information to the I2NSF Capability Data model draft?

[Linda Dunbar <[e-mail]>]

Paul,

Thank you very much for the update.

Linda

On Fri, Oct 23, 2020 at 9:29 PM Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong <
[e-mail]> wrote:

> Hi Linda and Yoav,
> I need more time to merge the information model and data model for
> draft-ietf-i2nsf-capability-data-model along with the reflection of the
> IESG's comments:
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-i2nsf-capability-data-model/
>
> I will try to do the merging and the reflection of the comments of the
> IESG by IETF-109 I-D due (11/02/2020).
>
> Thanks.
>
> Best Regards,
> Paul
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 10, 2020 at 10:33 AM Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong <
> [e-mail]> wrote:
>
>> Linda,
>> I see.
>>
>> I will do the merging.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Best Regards,
>> Paul
>>
>> 2020년 10월 10일 (토) 오전 10:20, Linda <[e-mail]>님이 작성:
>>
>>> Yes
>>> Linda
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Oct 9, 2020, at 7:55 PM, Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong <
>>> [e-mail]> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> Hi Linda,
>>> As I understand, I need to merge the relevant contents of the NSFs
>>> Capability Information Model Draft into the I2NSF NSF Capability Data Model
>>> Draft.
>>>
>>> Is it correct?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Best Regards,
>>> Paul
>>>
>>> 2020년 10월 9일 (금) 오후 11:58, Linda Dunbar <[e-mail]>님이
>>> 작성:
>>>
>>>> I2NSF WG,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Correction:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> There has been NO object to the Author’s request for sunsetting the
>>>> draft-ietf-i2nsf-capability-5.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We have marked the draft as “DEAD” in the WG status.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Many thanks to the authors for putting the effort in this draft for
>>>> kickstarting all the data models in I2NSF WG.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Linda & Yoav
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Linda Dunbar
>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 8, 2020 4:36 PM
>>>> *To:* [e-mail]
>>>> *Subject:* draft-ietf-i2nsf-capability-05 is officially removed from
>>>> I2NSF WG ( was RE: Is there any objection of sunset the I2NSF Capabilities
>>>> Information Model Draft and merge the relevant information to the I2NSF
>>>> Capability Data model draft?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I2nsf WG,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> There has been any objection to the Author’s request for sunsetting the
>>>>  draft-ietf-i2nsf-capability-05.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Authors of the draft-ietf-i2nsf-capability-data-model: please remove
>>>> the reference to the Capability Information Model and upload a new draft.
>>>> We can ask IESG to re-review it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thank you very much.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Linda & Yoav.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Linda Dunbar
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, September 28, 2020 11:00 AM
>>>> *To:* [e-mail]
>>>> *Subject:* Is there any objection of sunset the I2NSF Capabilities
>>>> Information Model Draft and merge the relevant information to the I2NSF
>>>> Capability Data model draft?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I2NSF WG,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> As Diego has expressed that the original I2NSF capability information
>>>> model was based on a policy expression calculus suitable for manipulating
>>>> high-level policy expressions.  The capability data model has been evolving
>>>> in a quite reasonable and pragmatic way, including running code at the
>>>> hackathons.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The I2NSF Capability Information Model has fulfilled its purpose of
>>>> kickstarting and guiding the data model, and the authors believe that it is
>>>> better to let the capability information model to be withdrawn. For the
>>>> content in the information model still relevant to I2NSF Capability Data
>>>> Model, they should be merged into the Capability Data Model.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Is there any objection from the WG?  If we don’t hear any objection by
>>>> Oct 5, we will change the status of the draft.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Linda & Yoav
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Diego R. Lopez <[e-mail]>
>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 22, 2020 5:35 PM
>>>> *To:* Linda Dunbar <[e-mail]>; Mr. Jaehoon Paul
>>>> Jeong <[e-mail]>
>>>> *Cc:* Xialiang (Frank) <[e-mail]>; Yoav Nir <
>>>> [e-mail]>; John Strassner <[e-mail]>;
>>>> Aldo Basile <[e-mail]>; Roman Danyliw <[e-mail]>
>>>> *Subject:* Re: Offer for Revision Help for I2NSF NSFs Capabilities
>>>> Information Model Draft
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Linda,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I’d prefer the second option, as it seems more straightforward and
>>>> natural to me, and in parallel would like you to consider the idea of an
>>>> I2NSF extension allowing us to reuse the capability model for
>>>> policy-control transformation, and to incorporate the attestation matters
>>>> you know I was so much interested in.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Be goode,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> "Esta vez no fallaremos, Doctor Infierno"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dr Diego R. Lopez
>>>>
>>>> Telefonica I+D
>>>>
>>>> https://www.linkedin.com/in/dr2lopez/
>>>> <https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fin%2Fdr2lopez%2F&data=02%7C01%7Clinda.dunbar%40futurewei.com%7C08a48858d7bd4d843a6e08d85f47b438%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C637364108864949633&sdata=ROR4%2FyD1WqWDb1rCbJx3ERqTiMCQ92ibkyz26kYZdD8%3D&reserved=0>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> e-mail: [e-mail]
>>>>
>>>> Tel:         [phone]
>>>>
>>>> Mobile:  [phone]
>>>>
>>>> ----------------------------------
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 22/09/2020, 18:01, "Linda Dunbar" <[e-mail]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Diego:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thank you very much for the reflection of the Capabilities Information
>>>> Model Draft. Agree with your statement that “the capability data model was
>>>> evolving in a quite reasonable and pragmatic way, including running code at
>>>> the hackathons”.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Looks like Eric Vyncke still wants the information model to be fixed to
>>>> clear his “DISCUSS” ballot.
>>>>
>>>> How about the following steps:
>>>>
>>>> -          Ask Roman’s advice if we can simplify the Information Model
>>>> mainly to reflect what has been in the Data Model.
>>>>
>>>> -          Or, drop the Information model draft and remove the refence
>>>> to the draft, but Roman has to convince Eric to agree not having the
>>>> information model.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What do you think?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Linda
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Diego R. Lopez <[e-mail]>
>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 22, 2020 9:50 AM
>>>> *To:* Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong <[e-mail]>; Linda Dunbar <
>>>> [e-mail]>
>>>> *Cc:* Xialiang (Frank) <[e-mail]>; Yoav Nir <
>>>> [e-mail]>; John Strassner <[e-mail]>;
>>>> Aldo Basile <[e-mail]>; Roman Danyliw <[e-mail]>
>>>> *Subject:* Re: Offer for Revision Help for I2NSF NSFs Capabilities
>>>> Information Model Draft
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Paul,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Before you go for it, let me share with you some reflections on the
>>>> state of the draft, in the spirit of what I replied to Eric Vyncke.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I must confess there has been a combination of events that made me
>>>> think the best solution was to leave this draft to fade away. First, I was
>>>> not (have not been yet) able to find a solution to most of Roman’s comments
>>>> without totally rewriting most, if not all, of the document.  Second, the
>>>> fact that the capability data model was evolving in a quite reasonable and
>>>> pragmatic way, including running code at the hackathons, following the
>>>> spirit of the initial work in the information model, but not attempting to
>>>> align with its most recent evolution. If I have not shared this position
>>>> before is because I have been looking for a way to make the idea of
>>>> bridging capability declarations and security policy statements at the
>>>> I2NSF controller viable, and I was hoping to find such a way by reusing
>>>> part of the capability info model draft.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> As I told Eric, I believe the current capability model has a powerful
>>>> (though probably not yet complete) calculus for policy description and
>>>> validation, but not directly related to the management mechanisms addressed
>>>> in the capability data model and the other data models produced in I2NSF. I
>>>> believe there is an opportunity for accomplishing policy-capability
>>>> bridging, using as foundation the current capability model, though it seems
>>>> to me that this task would require some time to consolidate and therefore
>>>> imply an extension of the I2NSF lifetime. I would like to know your
>>>> position(*) about such an extension,  that could also become an opportunity
>>>> to work in other matters related to attestation (in the light of the work
>>>> in RATS and the MUD initiative within the Ops Area) and accounting.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Be goode,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> (*) I assume you are in favor, Paul. But I’d like to get Linda’s,
>>>> Yoav’s and Roman’s ideas, as well as the availability to work on this from
>>>> Frank, John and Aldo.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> "Esta vez no fallaremos, Doctor Infierno"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dr Diego R. Lopez
>>>>
>>>> Telefonica I+D
>>>>
>>>> https://www.linkedin.com/in/dr2lopez/
>>>> <https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fin%2Fdr2lopez%2F&data=02%7C01%7Clinda.dunbar%40futurewei.com%7C08a48858d7bd4d843a6e08d85f47b438%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C637364108864949633&sdata=ROR4%2FyD1WqWDb1rCbJx3ERqTiMCQ92ibkyz26kYZdD8%3D&reserved=0>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> e-mail: [e-mail]
>>>>
>>>> Tel:         [phone]
>>>>
>>>> Mobile:  [phone]
>>>>
>>>> ----------------------------------
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 17/09/2020, 01:42, "Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong" <[e-mail]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Linda,
>>>>
>>>> I will address our AD Roman's comments on this NSFs capabilities
>>>> information draft as the 2nd editor through the collaboration with Frank
>>>> (the 1st editor) and the other authors.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I CC our AD Roman and the other authors, such as John and Cataldo.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for your support and guidance.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Paul
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2020년 9월 17일 (목) 오전 3:44, Linda Dunbar <[e-mail]>님이
>>>> 작성:
>>>>
>>>> Paul,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thank you very much for offering to address the AD comments to this
>>>> draft. Looks like the current authors are too busy to address those
>>>> comments. It has been over a year since the AD comments were given.  We
>>>> need to move the draft forward. Therefore, I2NSF chairs have authorized you
>>>> to be one of the editors to address the AD comments and revise the draft.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thank you very much.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Linda & Yoav
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong <[e-mail]>
>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, September 13, 2020 10:09 AM
>>>> *To:* Xialiang (Frank) <[e-mail]>
>>>> *Cc:* Linda Dunbar <[e-mail]>; Yoav Nir <
>>>> [e-mail]>; DIEGO LOPEZ GARCIA <[e-mail]>;
>>>> Jaehoon Jeong <[e-mail]>
>>>> *Subject:* Offer for Revision Help for I2NSF NSFs Capabilities
>>>> Information Model Draft
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Frank,
>>>>
>>>> Could I help you to revise your information model draft for our AD
>>>> Roman Danyliw's review comments  as a co-editor?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-i2nsf-capability/?include_text=1
>>>> <https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdatatracker.ietf.org%2Fdoc%2Fdraft-ietf-i2nsf-capability%2F%3Finclude_text%3D1&data=02%7C01%7Clinda.dunbar%40futurewei.com%7C08a48858d7bd4d843a6e08d85f47b438%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C637364108864959626&sdata=GUrbaYu2Q4N1YNUUet2oVRPqbynA78cSBTf%2FBeSCY44%3D&reserved=0>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> As you know, I have finished our I2NSF data model drafts.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I am happy to work on the revision with you in order to complete our
>>>> I2NSF deliverables.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Paul
>>>>
>>>>
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