Re: [I2nsf] draft-ietf-i2nsf-capability-05 is officially removed from I2NSF WG ( was RE: Is there any objection of sunset the I2NSF Capabilities Information Model Draft and merge the relevant information to the I2NSF Capability Data model draft?
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Subject: Re: [I2nsf] draft-ietf-i2nsf-capability-05 is officially removed from I2NSF WG ( was RE: Is there any objection of sunset the I2NSF Capabilities Information Model Draft and merge the relevant information to the I2NSF Capability Data model draft?
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Linda, I see. I will do the merging. Thanks. Best Regards, Paul 2020년 10월 10일 (토) 오전 10:20, Linda <dunbar.ll@gmail.com>님이 작성: > Yes > Linda > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 9, 2020, at 7:55 PM, Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong <jaehoon.paul@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Hi Linda, > As I understand, I need to merge the relevant contents of the NSFs > Capability Information Model Draft into the I2NSF NSF Capability Data Model > Draft. > > Is it correct? > > Thanks. > > Best Regards, > Paul > > 2020년 10월 9일 (금) 오후 11:58, Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@futurewei.com>님이 작성: > >> I2NSF WG, >> >> >> >> Correction: >> >> >> >> There has been NO object to the Author’s request for sunsetting the >> draft-ietf-i2nsf-capability-5. >> >> >> >> We have marked the draft as “DEAD” in the WG status. >> >> >> >> Many thanks to the authors for putting the effort in this draft for >> kickstarting all the data models in I2NSF WG. >> >> >> >> Linda & Yoav >> >> >> >> *From:* Linda Dunbar >> *Sent:* Thursday, October 8, 2020 4:36 PM >> *To:* i2nsf@ietf.org >> *Subject:* draft-ietf-i2nsf-capability-05 is officially removed from >> I2NSF WG ( was RE: Is there any objection of sunset the I2NSF Capabilities >> Information Model Draft and merge the relevant information to the I2NSF >> Capability Data model draft? >> >> >> >> I2nsf WG, >> >> >> >> There has been any objection to the Author’s request for sunsetting the >> draft-ietf-i2nsf-capability-05. >> >> >> >> Authors of the draft-ietf-i2nsf-capability-data-model: please remove the >> reference to the Capability Information Model and upload a new draft. We >> can ask IESG to re-review it. >> >> >> >> Thank you very much. >> >> >> >> Linda & Yoav. >> >> >> >> *From:* Linda Dunbar >> *Sent:* Monday, September 28, 2020 11:00 AM >> *To:* i2nsf@ietf.org >> *Subject:* Is there any objection of sunset the I2NSF Capabilities >> Information Model Draft and merge the relevant information to the I2NSF >> Capability Data model draft? >> >> >> >> I2NSF WG, >> >> >> >> As Diego has expressed that the original I2NSF capability information >> model was based on a policy expression calculus suitable for manipulating >> high-level policy expressions. The capability data model has been evolving >> in a quite reasonable and pragmatic way, including running code at the >> hackathons. >> >> >> >> The I2NSF Capability Information Model has fulfilled its purpose of >> kickstarting and guiding the data model, and the authors believe that it is >> better to let the capability information model to be withdrawn. For the >> content in the information model still relevant to I2NSF Capability Data >> Model, they should be merged into the Capability Data Model. >> >> >> >> Is there any objection from the WG? If we don’t hear any objection by >> Oct 5, we will change the status of the draft. >> >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> >> >> >> >> Linda & Yoav >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* Diego R. Lopez <diego.r.lopez@telefonica.com> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 22, 2020 5:35 PM >> *To:* Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@futurewei.com>; Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong < >> jaehoon.paul@gmail.com> >> *Cc:* Xialiang (Frank) <frank.xialiang@huawei.com>; Yoav Nir < >> ynir.ietf@gmail.com>; John Strassner <John.sc.Strassner@huawei.com>; >> Aldo Basile <cataldo.basile@polito.it>; Roman Danyliw <rdd@cert.org> >> *Subject:* Re: Offer for Revision Help for I2NSF NSFs Capabilities >> Information Model Draft >> >> >> >> Hi Linda, >> >> >> >> I’d prefer the second option, as it seems more straightforward and >> natural to me, and in parallel would like you to consider the idea of an >> I2NSF extension allowing us to reuse the capability model for >> policy-control transformation, and to incorporate the attestation matters >> you know I was so much interested in. >> >> >> >> Be goode, >> >> >> >> -- >> >> "Esta vez no fallaremos, Doctor Infierno" >> >> >> >> Dr Diego R. Lopez >> >> Telefonica I+D >> >> https://www.linkedin.com/in/dr2lopez/ >> <https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fin%2Fdr2lopez%2F&data=02%7C01%7Clinda.dunbar%40futurewei.com%7C08a48858d7bd4d843a6e08d85f47b438%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C637364108864949633&sdata=ROR4%2FyD1WqWDb1rCbJx3ERqTiMCQ92ibkyz26kYZdD8%3D&reserved=0> >> >> >> >> >> e-mail: diego.r.lopez@telefonica.com >> >> Tel: +34 913 129 041 >> >> Mobile: +34 682 051 091 >> >> ---------------------------------- >> >> >> >> On 22/09/2020, 18:01, "Linda Dunbar" <linda.dunbar@futurewei.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> Diego: >> >> >> >> Thank you very much for the reflection of the Capabilities Information >> Model Draft. Agree with your statement that “the capability data model was >> evolving in a quite reasonable and pragmatic way, including running code at >> the hackathons”. >> >> >> >> Looks like Eric Vyncke still wants the information model to be fixed to >> clear his “DISCUSS” ballot. >> >> How about the following steps: >> >> - Ask Roman’s advice if we can simplify the Information Model >> mainly to reflect what has been in the Data Model. >> >> - Or, drop the Information model draft and remove the refence >> to the draft, but Roman has to convince Eric to agree not having the >> information model. >> >> >> >> What do you think? >> >> >> >> Linda >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* Diego R. Lopez <diego.r.lopez@telefonica.com> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 22, 2020 9:50 AM >> *To:* Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong <jaehoon.paul@gmail.com>; Linda Dunbar < >> linda.dunbar@futurewei.com> >> *Cc:* Xialiang (Frank) <frank.xialiang@huawei.com>; Yoav Nir < >> ynir.ietf@gmail.com>; John Strassner <John.sc.Strassner@huawei.com>; >> Aldo Basile <cataldo.basile@polito.it>; Roman Danyliw <rdd@cert.org> >> *Subject:* Re: Offer for Revision Help for I2NSF NSFs Capabilities >> Information Model Draft >> >> >> >> Hi Paul, >> >> >> >> Before you go for it, let me share with you some reflections on the state >> of the draft, in the spirit of what I replied to Eric Vyncke. >> >> >> >> I must confess there has been a combination of events that made me think >> the best solution was to leave this draft to fade away. First, I was not >> (have not been yet) able to find a solution to most of Roman’s comments >> without totally rewriting most, if not all, of the document. Second, the >> fact that the capability data model was evolving in a quite reasonable and >> pragmatic way, including running code at the hackathons, following the >> spirit of the initial work in the information model, but not attempting to >> align with its most recent evolution. If I have not shared this position >> before is because I have been looking for a way to make the idea of >> bridging capability declarations and security policy statements at the >> I2NSF controller viable, and I was hoping to find such a way by reusing >> part of the capability info model draft. >> >> >> >> As I told Eric, I believe the current capability model has a powerful >> (though probably not yet complete) calculus for policy description and >> validation, but not directly related to the management mechanisms addressed >> in the capability data model and the other data models produced in I2NSF. I >> believe there is an opportunity for accomplishing policy-capability >> bridging, using as foundation the current capability model, though it seems >> to me that this task would require some time to consolidate and therefore >> imply an extension of the I2NSF lifetime. I would like to know your >> position(*) about such an extension, that could also become an opportunity >> to work in other matters related to attestation (in the light of the work >> in RATS and the MUD initiative within the Ops Area) and accounting. >> >> >> >> Be goode, >> >> >> >> (*) I assume you are in favor, Paul. But I’d like to get Linda’s, Yoav’s >> and Roman’s ideas, as well as the availability to work on this from Frank, >> John and Aldo. >> >> >> >> -- >> >> "Esta vez no fallaremos, Doctor Infierno" >> >> >> >> Dr Diego R. Lopez >> >> Telefonica I+D >> >> https://www.linkedin.com/in/dr2lopez/ >> <https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fin%2Fdr2lopez%2F&data=02%7C01%7Clinda.dunbar%40futurewei.com%7C08a48858d7bd4d843a6e08d85f47b438%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C637364108864949633&sdata=ROR4%2FyD1WqWDb1rCbJx3ERqTiMCQ92ibkyz26kYZdD8%3D&reserved=0> >> >> >> >> >> e-mail: diego.r.lopez@telefonica.com >> >> Tel: +34 913 129 041 >> >> Mobile: +34 682 051 091 >> >> ---------------------------------- >> >> >> >> On 17/09/2020, 01:42, "Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong" <jaehoon.paul@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> Hi Linda, >> >> I will address our AD Roman's comments on this NSFs capabilities >> information draft as the 2nd editor through the collaboration with Frank >> (the 1st editor) and the other authors. >> >> >> >> I CC our AD Roman and the other authors, such as John and Cataldo. >> >> >> >> Thanks for your support and guidance. >> >> >> >> Best Regards, >> >> Paul >> >> >> >> 2020년 9월 17일 (목) 오전 3:44, Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@futurewei.com>님이 작성: >> >> Paul, >> >> >> >> Thank you very much for offering to address the AD comments to this >> draft. Looks like the current authors are too busy to address those >> comments. It has been over a year since the AD comments were given. We >> need to move the draft forward. Therefore, I2NSF chairs have authorized you >> to be one of the editors to address the AD comments and revise the draft. >> >> >> >> >> >> Thank you very much. >> >> >> >> Linda & Yoav >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong <jaehoon.paul@gmail.com> >> *Sent:* Sunday, September 13, 2020 10:09 AM >> *To:* Xialiang (Frank) <frank.xialiang@huawei.com> >> *Cc:* Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@futurewei.com>; Yoav Nir < >> ynir.ietf@gmail.com>; DIEGO LOPEZ GARCIA <diego.r.lopez@telefonica.com>; >> Jaehoon Jeong <jaehoon.paul@gmail.com> >> *Subject:* Offer for Revision Help for I2NSF NSFs Capabilities >> Information Model Draft >> >> >> >> Hi Frank, >> >> Could I help you to revise your information model draft for our AD Roman >> Danyliw's review comments as a co-editor? >> >> >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-i2nsf-capability/?include_text=1 >> <https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdatatracker.ietf.org%2Fdoc%2Fdraft-ietf-i2nsf-capability%2F%3Finclude_text%3D1&data=02%7C01%7Clinda.dunbar%40futurewei.com%7C08a48858d7bd4d843a6e08d85f47b438%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C637364108864959626&sdata=GUrbaYu2Q4N1YNUUet2oVRPqbynA78cSBTf%2FBeSCY44%3D&reserved=0> >> >> >> >> As you know, I have finished our I2NSF data model drafts. >> >> >> >> I am happy to work on the revision with you in order to complete our >> I2NSF deliverables. >> >> >> >> Thanks. >> >> >> >> Best Regards, >> >> Paul >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> >> Este mensaje y sus adjuntos se dirigen exclusivamente a su destinatario, >> puede contener información privilegiada o confidencial y es para uso >> exclusivo de la persona o entidad de destino. 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- [I2nsf] draft-ietf-i2nsf-capability-05 is officia… Linda Dunbar
- Re: [I2nsf] draft-ietf-i2nsf-capability-05 is off… Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong
- Re: [I2nsf] draft-ietf-i2nsf-capability-05 is off… Linda Dunbar
- Re: [I2nsf] draft-ietf-i2nsf-capability-05 is off… Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong
- Re: [I2nsf] draft-ietf-i2nsf-capability-05 is off… Linda
- Re: [I2nsf] draft-ietf-i2nsf-capability-05 is off… Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong
- Re: [I2nsf] draft-ietf-i2nsf-capability-05 is off… Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong
- Re: [I2nsf] draft-ietf-i2nsf-capability-05 is off… Linda Dunbar