Re: [I2nsf] Request for Comments on I2NSF Security Policy Translation

[Linda Dunbar <[e-mail]>]

Paul,

I see the draft kind of like a reference design of the I2NSF Controller “from Consumer Facing policy to  NSF facing policy”. I agree that “translator design provides big benefits to I2NSF Framework”.

Some Questions:

-        Does it depend on the completion of https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-i2nsf-consumer-facing-interface-dm/ ?

-        Figure 2: What does the <tag m> mean in the figure? How it is relevant to Policy Translation?

-        Section 4.4: Context-free Grammar based policy generator. How to link the description in this section to the actual policy? Possible to give an example?

Some minor issues:
Section 3 last paragraph: Is it a typo? “programming languates”?
Section 4: Please provide the full name for the acronym of XSLT (Extensible Stylesheet language Transformation?).
 Section 4 first paragraph:  Do you mean “this document describes a policy translator based on Automata theory” for the following sentence?
“this document a policy translator based on Automata theory”


Thanks Linda Dunbar
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Subject: Re: [I2nsf] Request for Comments on I2NSF Security Policy Translation

Hi I2NSF WG,
I found a relevant RFC for implementation guidelines from CORE WG as below:

Guidelines for Mapping Implementations: HTTP to the Constrained Application Protocol (CoAP)
https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8075

This RFC is Proposed Standard RFC.

In our security policy translation draft, we can focus on the mapping from high-level security policy into low-level security policy
along with the architecture of an exemplary translator.

Thanks.

Paul

On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 11:45 AM, Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
Hi Frank,
As you know, the open source is dominant these days.
If IETF sticks to a general specification,
its position will get narrower and narrower in future.

To make I2NSF easily be used in the world, I believe the implementation guidelines of the security policy translation is important and useful.
IMHO, without these guidelines, but with data models, I2NSF will not be hard to be accepted.

As long as I understand, I2NSF Applicability draft should focus on how to leverage I2NSF with other important aspects (e.g., SDN, SFC, and NFV) for the deployment of I2NSF rather than the detailed specification of I2NSF components, such as security policy translator.

I2NSF other people,
Let us know your opinions.

After collecting opinions and making consensus, let's move forward.

Thanks.

Paul





2018년 7월 22일 (일) 오후 9:09, Xialiang (Frank, Network Integration Technology Research Dept) <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>님이 작성:
Hi,
I share the same concern with Diego. Although it’s a good example of how to translate the YANG models, but it’s just one of the possible system implementations, thus not suitable to be a specification.

My suggestion is you can consider to include its key contents into the I2NSF applicability draft.

B.R.
Frank

发件人: I2nsf [mailto:[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>] 代表 Diego R. Lopez
发送时间: 2018年7月21日 23:39
收件人: Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>; [e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>
抄送: SecCurator_Team <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>
主题: Re: [I2nsf] Request for Comments on I2NSF Security Policy Translation

Hi Paul,

This is a rather interesting draft and I’d encourage you to continue and report your work in policy translation, as it constitutes one of the essential matters the I2NSF Controller has to deal with.

But I am afraid I don’t see this document progressing in the standards track (even as an experimental one), as the particular techniques for implementing the translation do not seem a proper subject for standardization. The only place I could see room for it in would be as part of the applicability draft, and I am not sure about it… What do others think?

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On 21/07/2018, 12:01, "I2nsf on behalf of Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong" <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]> on behalf of [e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:

Hi I2NSF WG,

I would like to introduce our draft on I2NSF Security Policy Translation:
- Draft
  https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-yang-i2nsf-security-policy-translation-01

- Slides
  https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/102/materials/slides-102-i2nsf-security-policy-translation-00

This draft gives I2NSF developers the guidelines for the design and implementation
of I2NSF Security Controller.
One important functionality of the Security Controller is to automatically translate
an I2NSF User's high-level policy to a low-level policy for NSFs.

In the past of our I2NSF Hackathon projects, we made an XSLT-stylesheet-based translator.
But this translator has two limitations, such as static capability-and-NSF mapping construction
and inefficient maintenance on such a mapping.

The first limitation is the difficult high-level policy construction.
By the XSLT-stylesheet approach, I2NSF User MUST manually selects target NSFs to execute
the required security capabilities.
This means that I2NSF User needs to know each NSF's capabilities, so it is difficult for
I2NSF User to construct a high-level security policy without the detailed knowledge on NSFs.

The second limitation is an inefficient maintenance on the policy translator.
If the data models on I2NSF NSF-facing Interface requires some updates,
the XSLT stylesheet and XML files need to be updated.
On the other hand, our new approach  provides I2NSF User with an efficient
maintenance.

To solve these two limitations, our draft proposes an automata-based policy translator.
This translator consists of three components, such as Extractor, Data Converter, and Generator.

First, when a high-level policy is delivered from I2NSF User to Security Controller,
Translator extracts data about the policy at Extractor, and then converts it at Data Converter
for NSF(s). Also, Data Converter can select proper NSFs automatically.
Finally, Generator generates low-level policies of target NSFs based on the data from Data Converter.

I believe that this draft is valuable for IP2NSF WG adoption
to facilitate the development and deployment of I2NSF in the real world.

Please read this draft and give our authors your valuable comments.
We aim at making this proposal as an Informational RFC.

Thanks.

Best Regards,
Paul & Jinhyuk
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