Re: [I2nsf] draft-ietf-i2nsf-capability-05 is officially removed from I2NSF WG ( was RE: Is there any objection of sunset the I2NSF Capabilities Information Model Draft and merge the relevant information to the I2NSF Capability Data model draft?
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Subject: Re: [I2nsf] draft-ietf-i2nsf-capability-05 is officially removed from I2NSF WG ( was RE: Is there any objection of sunset the I2NSF Capabilities Information Model Draft and merge the relevant information to the I2NSF Capability Data model draft?
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Hi Linda and Yoav, I need more time to merge the information model and data model for draft-ietf-i2nsf-capability-data-model along with the reflection of the IESG's comments: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-i2nsf-capability-data-model/ I will try to do the merging and the reflection of the comments of the IESG by IETF-109 I-D due (11/02/2020). Thanks. Best Regards, Paul On Sat, Oct 10, 2020 at 10:33 AM Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong < jaehoon.paul@gmail.com> wrote: > Linda, > I see. > > I will do the merging. > > Thanks. > > Best Regards, > Paul > > 2020년 10월 10일 (토) 오전 10:20, Linda <dunbar.ll@gmail.com>님이 작성: > >> Yes >> Linda >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Oct 9, 2020, at 7:55 PM, Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong < >> jaehoon.paul@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> Hi Linda, >> As I understand, I need to merge the relevant contents of the NSFs >> Capability Information Model Draft into the I2NSF NSF Capability Data Model >> Draft. >> >> Is it correct? >> >> Thanks. >> >> Best Regards, >> Paul >> >> 2020년 10월 9일 (금) 오후 11:58, Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@futurewei.com>님이 >> 작성: >> >>> I2NSF WG, >>> >>> >>> >>> Correction: >>> >>> >>> >>> There has been NO object to the Author’s request for sunsetting the >>> draft-ietf-i2nsf-capability-5. >>> >>> >>> >>> We have marked the draft as “DEAD” in the WG status. >>> >>> >>> >>> Many thanks to the authors for putting the effort in this draft for >>> kickstarting all the data models in I2NSF WG. >>> >>> >>> >>> Linda & Yoav >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Linda Dunbar >>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 8, 2020 4:36 PM >>> *To:* i2nsf@ietf.org >>> *Subject:* draft-ietf-i2nsf-capability-05 is officially removed from >>> I2NSF WG ( was RE: Is there any objection of sunset the I2NSF Capabilities >>> Information Model Draft and merge the relevant information to the I2NSF >>> Capability Data model draft? >>> >>> >>> >>> I2nsf WG, >>> >>> >>> >>> There has been any objection to the Author’s request for sunsetting the >>> draft-ietf-i2nsf-capability-05. >>> >>> >>> >>> Authors of the draft-ietf-i2nsf-capability-data-model: please remove the >>> reference to the Capability Information Model and upload a new draft. We >>> can ask IESG to re-review it. >>> >>> >>> >>> Thank you very much. >>> >>> >>> >>> Linda & Yoav. >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Linda Dunbar >>> *Sent:* Monday, September 28, 2020 11:00 AM >>> *To:* i2nsf@ietf.org >>> *Subject:* Is there any objection of sunset the I2NSF Capabilities >>> Information Model Draft and merge the relevant information to the I2NSF >>> Capability Data model draft? >>> >>> >>> >>> I2NSF WG, >>> >>> >>> >>> As Diego has expressed that the original I2NSF capability information >>> model was based on a policy expression calculus suitable for manipulating >>> high-level policy expressions. The capability data model has been evolving >>> in a quite reasonable and pragmatic way, including running code at the >>> hackathons. >>> >>> >>> >>> The I2NSF Capability Information Model has fulfilled its purpose of >>> kickstarting and guiding the data model, and the authors believe that it is >>> better to let the capability information model to be withdrawn. For the >>> content in the information model still relevant to I2NSF Capability Data >>> Model, they should be merged into the Capability Data Model. >>> >>> >>> >>> Is there any objection from the WG? If we don’t hear any objection by >>> Oct 5, we will change the status of the draft. >>> >>> >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Linda & Yoav >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Diego R. Lopez <diego.r.lopez@telefonica.com> >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 22, 2020 5:35 PM >>> *To:* Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@futurewei.com>; Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong >>> <jaehoon.paul@gmail.com> >>> *Cc:* Xialiang (Frank) <frank.xialiang@huawei.com>; Yoav Nir < >>> ynir.ietf@gmail.com>; John Strassner <John.sc.Strassner@huawei.com>; >>> Aldo Basile <cataldo.basile@polito.it>; Roman Danyliw <rdd@cert.org> >>> *Subject:* Re: Offer for Revision Help for I2NSF NSFs Capabilities >>> Information Model Draft >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi Linda, >>> >>> >>> >>> I’d prefer the second option, as it seems more straightforward and >>> natural to me, and in parallel would like you to consider the idea of an >>> I2NSF extension allowing us to reuse the capability model for >>> policy-control transformation, and to incorporate the attestation matters >>> you know I was so much interested in. >>> >>> >>> >>> Be goode, >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> "Esta vez no fallaremos, Doctor Infierno" >>> >>> >>> >>> Dr Diego R. Lopez >>> >>> Telefonica I+D >>> >>> https://www.linkedin.com/in/dr2lopez/ >>> <https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fin%2Fdr2lopez%2F&data=02%7C01%7Clinda.dunbar%40futurewei.com%7C08a48858d7bd4d843a6e08d85f47b438%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C637364108864949633&sdata=ROR4%2FyD1WqWDb1rCbJx3ERqTiMCQ92ibkyz26kYZdD8%3D&reserved=0> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> e-mail: diego.r.lopez@telefonica.com >>> >>> Tel: +34 913 129 041 >>> >>> Mobile: +34 682 051 091 >>> >>> ---------------------------------- >>> >>> >>> >>> On 22/09/2020, 18:01, "Linda Dunbar" <linda.dunbar@futurewei.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Diego: >>> >>> >>> >>> Thank you very much for the reflection of the Capabilities Information >>> Model Draft. Agree with your statement that “the capability data model was >>> evolving in a quite reasonable and pragmatic way, including running code at >>> the hackathons”. >>> >>> >>> >>> Looks like Eric Vyncke still wants the information model to be fixed to >>> clear his “DISCUSS” ballot. >>> >>> How about the following steps: >>> >>> - Ask Roman’s advice if we can simplify the Information Model >>> mainly to reflect what has been in the Data Model. >>> >>> - Or, drop the Information model draft and remove the refence >>> to the draft, but Roman has to convince Eric to agree not having the >>> information model. >>> >>> >>> >>> What do you think? >>> >>> >>> >>> Linda >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Diego R. Lopez <diego.r.lopez@telefonica.com> >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 22, 2020 9:50 AM >>> *To:* Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong <jaehoon.paul@gmail.com>; Linda Dunbar < >>> linda.dunbar@futurewei.com> >>> *Cc:* Xialiang (Frank) <frank.xialiang@huawei.com>; Yoav Nir < >>> ynir.ietf@gmail.com>; John Strassner <John.sc.Strassner@huawei.com>; >>> Aldo Basile <cataldo.basile@polito.it>; Roman Danyliw <rdd@cert.org> >>> *Subject:* Re: Offer for Revision Help for I2NSF NSFs Capabilities >>> Information Model Draft >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi Paul, >>> >>> >>> >>> Before you go for it, let me share with you some reflections on the >>> state of the draft, in the spirit of what I replied to Eric Vyncke. >>> >>> >>> >>> I must confess there has been a combination of events that made me think >>> the best solution was to leave this draft to fade away. First, I was not >>> (have not been yet) able to find a solution to most of Roman’s comments >>> without totally rewriting most, if not all, of the document. Second, the >>> fact that the capability data model was evolving in a quite reasonable and >>> pragmatic way, including running code at the hackathons, following the >>> spirit of the initial work in the information model, but not attempting to >>> align with its most recent evolution. If I have not shared this position >>> before is because I have been looking for a way to make the idea of >>> bridging capability declarations and security policy statements at the >>> I2NSF controller viable, and I was hoping to find such a way by reusing >>> part of the capability info model draft. >>> >>> >>> >>> As I told Eric, I believe the current capability model has a powerful >>> (though probably not yet complete) calculus for policy description and >>> validation, but not directly related to the management mechanisms addressed >>> in the capability data model and the other data models produced in I2NSF. I >>> believe there is an opportunity for accomplishing policy-capability >>> bridging, using as foundation the current capability model, though it seems >>> to me that this task would require some time to consolidate and therefore >>> imply an extension of the I2NSF lifetime. I would like to know your >>> position(*) about such an extension, that could also become an opportunity >>> to work in other matters related to attestation (in the light of the work >>> in RATS and the MUD initiative within the Ops Area) and accounting. >>> >>> >>> >>> Be goode, >>> >>> >>> >>> (*) I assume you are in favor, Paul. But I’d like to get Linda’s, Yoav’s >>> and Roman’s ideas, as well as the availability to work on this from Frank, >>> John and Aldo. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> "Esta vez no fallaremos, Doctor Infierno" >>> >>> >>> >>> Dr Diego R. Lopez >>> >>> Telefonica I+D >>> >>> https://www.linkedin.com/in/dr2lopez/ >>> <https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fin%2Fdr2lopez%2F&data=02%7C01%7Clinda.dunbar%40futurewei.com%7C08a48858d7bd4d843a6e08d85f47b438%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C637364108864949633&sdata=ROR4%2FyD1WqWDb1rCbJx3ERqTiMCQ92ibkyz26kYZdD8%3D&reserved=0> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> e-mail: diego.r.lopez@telefonica.com >>> >>> Tel: +34 913 129 041 >>> >>> Mobile: +34 682 051 091 >>> >>> ---------------------------------- >>> >>> >>> >>> On 17/09/2020, 01:42, "Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong" <jaehoon.paul@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi Linda, >>> >>> I will address our AD Roman's comments on this NSFs capabilities >>> information draft as the 2nd editor through the collaboration with Frank >>> (the 1st editor) and the other authors. >>> >>> >>> >>> I CC our AD Roman and the other authors, such as John and Cataldo. >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks for your support and guidance. >>> >>> >>> >>> Best Regards, >>> >>> Paul >>> >>> >>> >>> 2020년 9월 17일 (목) 오전 3:44, Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@futurewei.com>님이 작성 >>> : >>> >>> Paul, >>> >>> >>> >>> Thank you very much for offering to address the AD comments to this >>> draft. Looks like the current authors are too busy to address those >>> comments. It has been over a year since the AD comments were given. We >>> need to move the draft forward. Therefore, I2NSF chairs have authorized you >>> to be one of the editors to address the AD comments and revise the draft. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Thank you very much. >>> >>> >>> >>> Linda & Yoav >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong <jaehoon.paul@gmail.com> >>> *Sent:* Sunday, September 13, 2020 10:09 AM >>> *To:* Xialiang (Frank) <frank.xialiang@huawei.com> >>> *Cc:* Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@futurewei.com>; Yoav Nir < >>> ynir.ietf@gmail.com>; DIEGO LOPEZ GARCIA <diego.r.lopez@telefonica.com>; >>> Jaehoon Jeong <jaehoon.paul@gmail.com> >>> *Subject:* Offer for Revision Help for I2NSF NSFs Capabilities >>> Information Model Draft >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi Frank, >>> >>> Could I help you to revise your information model draft for our AD Roman >>> Danyliw's review comments as a co-editor? >>> >>> >>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-i2nsf-capability/?include_text=1 >>> <https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdatatracker.ietf.org%2Fdoc%2Fdraft-ietf-i2nsf-capability%2F%3Finclude_text%3D1&data=02%7C01%7Clinda.dunbar%40futurewei.com%7C08a48858d7bd4d843a6e08d85f47b438%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C637364108864959626&sdata=GUrbaYu2Q4N1YNUUet2oVRPqbynA78cSBTf%2FBeSCY44%3D&reserved=0> >>> >>> >>> >>> As you know, I have finished our I2NSF data model drafts. >>> >>> >>> >>> I am happy to work on the revision with you in order to complete our >>> I2NSF deliverables. >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> >>> >>> Best Regards, >>> >>> Paul >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> >>> Este mensaje y sus adjuntos se dirigen exclusivamente a su destinatario, >>> puede contener información privilegiada o confidencial y es para uso >>> exclusivo de la persona o entidad de destino. 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- [I2nsf] draft-ietf-i2nsf-capability-05 is officia… Linda Dunbar
- Re: [I2nsf] draft-ietf-i2nsf-capability-05 is off… Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong
- Re: [I2nsf] draft-ietf-i2nsf-capability-05 is off… Linda Dunbar
- Re: [I2nsf] draft-ietf-i2nsf-capability-05 is off… Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong
- Re: [I2nsf] draft-ietf-i2nsf-capability-05 is off… Linda
- Re: [I2nsf] draft-ietf-i2nsf-capability-05 is off… Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong
- Re: [I2nsf] draft-ietf-i2nsf-capability-05 is off… Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong
- Re: [I2nsf] draft-ietf-i2nsf-capability-05 is off… Linda Dunbar