Re: [I2nsf] Is the updated IPR license good with you? (was FW: need more review and support to close the WGLC for draft-ietf-i2nsf-consumer-facing-interface-dm

Hi Tom,
Let me answer your questions on the IPR claim for the Consumer-Facing
Interface YANG Data Model Draft.

The following claim with Possible Royalty/Fee is posted by my SKKU patent
attorney (Mr. Jeongnyeon Kim)
due to the miscommunication between my SKKU patent attorney and me.
I CC Mr. Jeongnyeon Kim in this thread.

So, I asked my SKKU patent attorney to submit the new claim with
the correct Licensing statement with Royalty-Free, not Royalty/Fee.
I believe this new claim with Royalty-Free supersedes the previous IPR
claim with Royalty/Fee.

Section 11 in versions 07 and 08 is IANA Considerations.
I think this IANA Considerations section is not part of IPR filing-up, so
the latest IPR declaration excludes this section.

The main changes after version 09 are about YANG modules, there is no
moreIPR claim after version 09.

Thanks for your future review on our Consumer-Facing Interface YANG Data
Model.

Best Regards,
Paul

On Thu, Jul 28, 2022 at 6:29 AM t petch <ietfa@btconnect.com> wrote:

> On 19/07/2022 18:02, Linda Dunbar wrote:
> > Tom,
> >
> > The draft-ietf-i2nsf-consumer-facing-interface-dm is pending on
> resolving your comment of the IPR issue.
> >
> > Can you please review and let the group know if the updated license ok?
> > So we can move the draft forward to IESG.
>
> Linda
>
> I do not know.
>
> In other WG I see the claims submitted against the various revisions as
> they appear with the same conditions and sections.
>
> Here we have a claim with Possible Royalty/Fee and a later claim with
> reciprocity.  Claims never talk about previous claims so I do not know
> if there is still any validity to the earlier claim.  Also, the earlier
> claim included section 11, the later one does not; is there still a
> Possible Royalty/Fee claim against section 11?
>
> Both claims reference 06-09 whereas the I-D is now -22.  Do the claims
> only relate to the text that is common to both or does it carry forward
> to later versions?
>
> All legal issues to which I have no answer; I do not know.
>
> July is the busiest time of year for me when I have the least time for
> IETF-rated matters - as I think I have said before. I have started
> looking at the I-D and will update you when I am done.  The authors do
> not always make it easy for me. Thus the change log in -22 only tells me
> what has changed from -21; and -21 etc, I will have to dig out all the
> intervening versions and review them to arrive at a conclusion which
> will not be today:-(.
>
> Tom Petch
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >
> > Thank you very much
> > Linda Dunbar
> >
> > From: Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong <jaehoon.paul@gmail.com>
> > Sent: Friday, July 15, 2022 9:13 PM
> > To: tom petch <daedulus@btconnect.com>; i2nsf@ietf.org
> > Cc: Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@futurewei.com>; Susan Hares <
> shares@ndzh.com>; Jeongnyeon Kim <eroica@skku.edu>; skku-iotlab-members <
> skku-iotlab-members@googlegroups.com>; Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong <
> jaehoon.paul@gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [I2nsf] need more review and support to close the WGLC for
> draft-ietf-i2nsf-consumer-facing-interface-dm
> >
> > Hi Tom and I2NSF WG,
> > Let me report the status of IPR Declaration on I2NSF Consumer-Facing
> Interface YANG Data Model Draft and other drafts.
> > My SKKU Patent Attorney (Mr. Jeongnyeon Kim) posted an IPR declaration
> on this  I2NSF Consumer-Facing Interface YANG Data Model Draft.
> > https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/5694/<
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> >
> >
> > According to my request, Mr. Jeongnyeon Kim has requested the update of
> the licensing last week as follows:
> > -----
> > If this standard is adopted, Sungkyunkwan University (SKKU) will not
> assert any patents owned or controlled by SKKU against any party for
> making, using, selling, importing or offering for sale a product that
> implements the standard, provided, however that SKKU retains the right to
> assert its patents (including the right to claim past royalties) against
> any party that asserts a patent it owns or controls (either directly or
> indirectly) against SKKU or any of SKKU's affiliates or successors in title
> or against any products of SKKU or any products of any of SKKU's affiliates
> either alone or in combination with other products; and SKKU retains the
> right to assert its patents against any product or portion thereof that is
> not necessary for compliance with the standard. Royalty-bearing licenses
> will be available to anyone who prefers that option.
> > -----
> > The above licensing was agreed by our I2NSF WG before.
> > This update is expected to be done next week.
> >
> > For other I2NSF WG drafts, the update requests of the same correction of
> the licensing text
> > have been submitted by Mr. Jeongnyeon Kim.
> > - I2NSF Capability YANG Data Model Draft
> > https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/5689/<
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> >
> > - I2NSF NSF-Facing Interface YANG Data Model Draft
> > https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/5690/<
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> > - I2NSF Monitoring Interface YANG Data Model Draft
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> > https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/5693/<
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> >
> > - I2NSF Registration Interface YANG Data Model Draft
> > https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/5695/<
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> >
> >
> > For my individual I2NSF drafts, the same updates were requested by him.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Best Regards,
> > Paul
> > On Fri, Jul 15, 2022 at 1:00 AM tom petch <daedulus@btconnect.com
> <mailto:daedulus@btconnect.com>> wrote:
> > On 12/07/2022 18:44, Linda Dunbar wrote:
> >> Sue,
> >>
> >> Thank you very much for the offer.
> >>
> >> The unsolved comments are from Tom Petch: Re: [I2nsf] WGLC for
> draft-ietf-i2nsf-consumer-facing-interface-dm-16<
> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/i2nsf/d_Wk5fH35Jo_cdz4D0QZN5VNhFA/<
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> >>
> >> There are several responses to address Tom Petch's comments. Just Tom
> hasn't sent feedback if he is satisfied with the response.
> >
> > Linda,
> >
> > I am sorry I have not got back to you; I did not realise that I was
> > holding things up.  Meanwhile, another problem has arise.  Most of the
> > activity on the WG mailing list recently has been ten IPR claims, one of
> > which is against this I-D, for an unpublished patent, with possible
> > Royalty/Fee.
> >
> > Similar claims were made three years ago, before I was involved, and the
> > WG pushed back on this, that the usual reciprocity clause would be ok,
> > possible Royalty/Fee would not be.  Were those who pushed back three
> > years ago to see the latest claims, I would expect them to push back
> > again.  To see the terms of these latest claims I find disappointing.
> >
> > I do not understand the details of the IPR claims; I am used to a claim
> > being made against each successive version of an I-D up to an including
> > the RFC.  Here, some at least of the claims would appear to relate to
> > earlier versions and not the current one but since much of the text is
> > in common, the choice of version seems irrelevant.  Also, some of the
> > claims specify the relevant sections and one would appear to include the
> > IANA Considerations which seems unusual while some of the claims are in
> > CJK script which I do not read.
> >
> > I realise that the IETF takes no position on IPR claims, that the WG
> > members have to decide whether or not to proceed with the work in the
> > presence of a claim.  On one such previous occasion, the WG was
> > satisfied that there was prior art which would invalidate the claim and
> > so the work went ahead regardless of the claim; such a step is not
> > possible with an unpublished patent.
> >
> > July is a hectic time for me so I shall look at the revised I-Ds but not
> > just yet.  Whether or not I want to participate in the presence of the
> > IPR claims, I am unsure.
> >
> > Tom Petch
> >
> >>
> >> Linda
> >>
> >> From: Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com<mailto:shares@ndzh.com>>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2022 12:21 PM
> >> To: Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@futurewei.com<mailto:
> linda.dunbar@futurewei.com>>; i2nsf@ietf.org<mailto:i2nsf@ietf.org>
> >> Subject: RE: [I2nsf] need more review and support to close the WGLC for
> draft-ietf-i2nsf-consumer-facing-interface-dm
> >>
> >> Linda:
> >>
> >> I will review the document by  Thursday (7/14) and send in a review of
> the document.   Would you let me know what WG LC comments were not
> addressed?
> >>
> >> Cheers, Sue
> >>
> >> From: I2nsf <i2nsf-bounces@ietf.org<mailto:i2nsf-bounces@ietf.org
> ><mailto:i2nsf-bounces@ietf.org<mailto:i2nsf-bounces@ietf.org>>> On
> Behalf Of Linda Dunbar
> >> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2022 1:17 PM
> >> To: i2nsf@ietf.org<mailto:i2nsf@ietf.org><mailto:i2nsf@ietf.org<mailto:
> i2nsf@ietf.org>>
> >> Subject: [I2nsf] need more review and support to close the WGLC for
> draft-ietf-i2nsf-consumer-facing-interface-dm
> >>
> >>
> >> I2NF WG,
> >>
> >> draft-ietf-i2nsf-consumer-facing-interface-dm WGLC was inconclusive due
> to lack of support and some LC comments not properly addressed. There
> appeared to be limited reviews of the document during the WGLC
> >> See the discussion history: [I2nsf] WGLC for
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> >>
> >>
> >> To proceed to publication more reviews and support from the WG for
> publication is needed.
> >> We really appreciate more people reviewing the document, especially the
> people who are not the authors.
> >>
> >> Thank you
> >> Linda Dunbar
> >>
> >
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