Re: [I2nsf] Request for Your Help on I2NSF Applicability Draft
"Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong" <jaehoon.paul@gmail.com> Wed, 06 November 2019 02:26 UTC
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From: "Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong" <jaehoon.paul@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2019 11:25:29 +0900
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Subject: Re: [I2nsf] Request for Your Help on I2NSF Applicability Draft
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Hi Roman and Linda, I am wondering how our I2NSF Applicability Draft is going. I expect this draft to be approved by the IESG soon. Thanks. Best Regards, Paul On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 4:40 PM Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong < jaehoon.paul@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Linda and Roman, > I have submitted a revised I-D for I2NSF Applicability: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-i2nsf-applicability-18 > > According to Linda's advice, I added Security Policy Translator as a new > section, i.e., Section 5. > Also, I enhanced two XML files for Web Filter such as a high-level > security policy and > the low-level security policy using the Consumer-Facing Interface and > NSF-Facing Interface > data models. > > The main changes in this version are as follows: > > > o In Section 4 > <https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-i2nsf-applicability-18#section-4>, > a high-level security policy XML file in Figure 2 > > and the corresponding low-level security policy XML file Figure 3 > > are constructed using the Consumer-Facing Interface data model and > > the NSF-Facing data model, respectively. > > > o For the applicability of I2NSF to the real world, Section 5 > <https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-i2nsf-applicability-18#section-5> > is > > added to support the Intent-based Security Services using I2NSF. > > This section explains the security policy translation based on an > > I2NSF User's intents on the required security services. Figure 4 > > shows the architecture and procedure of the I2NSF security policy > > translator. > > > I think this version can give the audience the applicability sense of how > to apply the I2NSF > to the real world. > > Roman, > Could you let the IESG review this revised I-D to move it forward? > > Thanks. > > Best Regards, > Paul > > 2019년 8월 14일 (수) 오전 7:24, Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong <jaehoon.paul@gmail.com>님이 > 작성: > >> Hi Linda, >> It seems a good suggestion to include the Security Policy Translation >> into the I2NSF Applicability draft as a new section. >> >> Roman, >> Could you guide us how to proceed with our draft in order to penetrate >> the IESG evaluation? >> >> Thanks. >> >> Best Regards, >> Paul >> >> >> 2019년 8월 12일 (월) 오후 2:53, Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@futurewei.com>님이 작성: >> >>> Paul, >>> >>> >>> >>> I consulted some seasoned experts in IETF community on how to make the >>> case, Adrian Farrel’s explanation is really helpful. Making me think that >>> the content of your Translation Draft is actually more appropriate in the >>> Applicability draft. I am not sure if it is too late to add some content. >>> >>> >>> >>> Linda >>> >>> ------------------------------------- >>> >>> >>> >>> *Background. * >>> >>> >>> >>> *Applicability Statements have always tried to be an explanation of how >>> to apply a technology to a use case. This differs considerably from a >>> statement that a use case can be solved with a technology.* >>> >>> >>> >>> *Of course, over time, a number of Applicability Statements have been >>> published that are far more dilute. Sometimes they have been just >>> collections of use cases to which the technology could be applied. >>> Sometimes they have been frameworks or architectures showing how the >>> technology fits into a picture that contains many other components and >>> technologies.* >>> >>> >>> >>> *Sadly, we should not use past failures to justify continued failure * >>> *😊** I think the IESG (in general) and Alvaro (in this instance) are >>> trying to tighten up the meaning of "Applicability Statement".* >>> >>> >>> >>> *They are looking for tighter descriptions that might also be called >>> "implementation cookbooks". That is: to deliver this use case using the new >>> technology, you need to use this protocol configured with these values, and >>> you need to integrate with these other components by sending these messages >>> and using these defaults, and you have to select these options, and you >>> have to treat the "SHOULD" on page 27 as a "MUST". Of course, part of what >>> you get is a framework, but a lot is implementation/deployment guidance. * >>> >>> >>> >>> *As a result, applicability statements are often quite short and >>> technical. And (of course?) they come out after most of the specification >>> work because they are depending heavily on that work -- after all, you >>> can't describe how to configure and use a protocol until it has been >>> specified. That usually means that the protocol specs are normative >>> references from the applicability statement.* >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong <jaehoon.paul@gmail.com> >>> *Sent:* Friday, August 09, 2019 1:27 AM >>> *To:* Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com>; DIEGO LOPEZ GARCIA < >>> diego.r.lopez@telefonica.com> >>> *Cc:* Roman Danyliw <rdd@cert.org>; Linda Dunbar < >>> linda.dunbar@futurewei.com>; Yoav Nir <ynir.ietf@gmail.com>; Sangwon >>> Hyun <swhyun77@gmail.com>; Tae-Jin Ahn <taejin.ahn@kt.com>; Mr. Jaehoon >>> Paul Jeong <jaehoon.paul@gmail.com> >>> *Subject:* Request for Your Help on I2NSF Applicability Draft >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi Susan and Diego, >>> >>> As you can see, our I2NSF Applicability Draft was discussed by the IESG >>> yesterday. >>> >>> Could you help me defense our I2NSF Applicability Draft as co-authors? >>> >>> >>> >>> Since Susan and Diegou are the editor of I2NSF PS and Use Cases (RFC >>> 8192) and >>> >>> the editor of I2NSF Framework (RFC 8329), respectively, your voice will >>> be helpful. >>> >>> >>> >>> We need to appeal why this applicability draft needs to be published as >>> an Informational RFC >>> >>> even though the two RFCs were published for I2NSF use cases and >>> framework. >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> >>> >>> Best Regards, >>> >>> Paul >>> >>> -- >>> >>> =========================== >>> Mr. Jaehoon (Paul) Jeong, Ph.D. >>> Associate Professor >>> Department of Software >>> Sungkyunkwan University >>> Office: +82-31-299-4957 >>> Email: jaehoon.paul@gmail.com, pauljeong@skku.edu >>> Personal Homepage: http://iotlab.skku.edu/people-jaehoon-jeong.php >>> <https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fcpslab.skku.edu%2Fpeople-jaehoon-jeong.php&data=02%7C01%7Clinda.dunbar%40futurewei.com%7C159b4b4256fe4b94f81e08d71c92abb5%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C637009288598143883&sdata=0Cj1nsqhwJ%2BCJWawKD08eH1mauR3OiD4hjIKk%2B33FyU%3D&reserved=0> >>> >> -- =========================== Mr. Jaehoon (Paul) Jeong, Ph.D. Associate Professor Department of Software Sungkyunkwan University Office: +82-31-299-4957 Email: jaehoon.paul@gmail.com, pauljeong@skku.edu Personal Homepage: http://iotlab.skku.edu/people-jaehoon-jeong.php <http://cpslab.skku.edu/people-jaehoon-jeong.php>
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