Re: [i2rs] I2RS Interim Meeting - June 1, 2016 - 10:00am - 11:00am -? Topic: Ephemeral State Requirements
Juergen Schoenwaelder <j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de> Thu, 02 June 2016 11:50 UTC
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From: Juergen Schoenwaelder <j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de>
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Subject: Re: [i2rs] I2RS Interim Meeting - June 1, 2016 - 10:00am - 11:00am -? Topic: Ephemeral State Requirements
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I might be able to answer the picture question once I know what is really meant by 'ephemeral operational state'. /js On Thu, Jun 02, 2016 at 07:15:34AM -0400, Susan Hares wrote: > Juergen: > > > > On first sentence, ... restated > > Do you believe the "ephemeral operational state" belongs in the ephemeral > requirements? If so, we can add it. Perhaps we should also add a definition > for ephemeral configuration. > > > > On picture -- here is your picture: > > > > +-------------+ +-----------+ > > | <candidate> | | <startup> | > > | (ct, rw) |<---+ +--->| (ct, rw) | > > +-------------+ | | +-----------+ > > | | | | > > | +------------+ | > > +-------->| <running> |<--------+ > > | (ct, rw) | > > +------------+ > > | // e.g., removal of 'inactive' nodes > > v > > +------------+ > > | <intended> | // subject to validation > > | (ct, ro) | > > +------------+ > > | // e.g., missing resources or delays > > v > > +------------+ > > | <applied> | > > | (ct, ro) | > > +------------+ > > | // e.g., autodiscovery of values > > v > > +--------------------------------+ > > | <operational-state> |<-- control plane and > > | (ct + cf, ro) | ephemeral datastores > > +--------------------------------+ > > > > Is this part of the picture > > > > +--------------------------------+ > > | <operational-state> |<-- control plane and > > | (ct + cf, ro) | ephemeral datastores > > +--------------------------------+ > > > > Really > > +--------------------+ +--------------------------+ > +-----------------------+ > > | opstate | | ephemeral config | | applied config | > > | (cf, ro) | | (ct, ro, ephemeral| | (ct, ro) > | > > +--------------------+ +---------------------------+ > +-------------------------+ > > > > Or just > > +--------------------+ +--------------------------+ > > | opstate | | ephemeral config | > > | (cf, ro) | | (ct, ro, ephemeral > > +--------------------+ +---------------------------+ > > > > > > Sue > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: i2rs [mailto:i2rs-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Juergen Schoenwaelder > Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 7:05 AM > To: Susan Hares > Cc: 'Jeffrey Haas'; i2rs@ietf.org; 'Benoit Claise'; 'Alia Atlas' > Subject: Re: [i2rs] I2RS Interim Meeting - June 1, 2016 - 10:00am - 11:00am > -? Topic: Ephemeral State Requirements > > > > On Thu, Jun 02, 2016 at 06:53:42AM -0400, Susan Hares wrote: > > > Juergen: > > > > > > Do you think this definition belongs in the ephemeral requirements? If > so, > > > we can add it. But perhaps we should define both ephemeral configuration > > > and ephemeral operational state. Joel point out at the I2RS interim > > > that ephemeral operational state is just like all other operational state > - it > > > disappears upon reboot. It is ephemeral configuration which is different > > > than normal configuration - since it disappears upon reboot where > > > normal configuration does not. > > > > > > Is this diagram close to your existing model where opstate and > > > ephemeral configuration are parallel? > > > > > > +--------------------+ +--------------------------+ > > > | opstate | | ephemeral config | > > > +--------------------+ +--------------------------+ > > > > > > > I see two boxes, I am unsure what you think these boxes drawn this way mean. > What is 'this definition' in your first sentence? I really have problems to > follow what is going on. > > > > /js > > > > -- > > Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH > > Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany > > Fax: +49 421 200 3103 < <http://www.jacobs-university.de/> > http://www.jacobs-university.de/> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > i2rs mailing list > > <mailto:i2rs@ietf.org> i2rs@ietf.org > > <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i2rs> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i2rs > -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 <http://www.jacobs-university.de/>
- [i2rs] I2RS Interim Meeting - June 1, 2016 - 10:0… Susan Hares
- Re: [i2rs] I2RS Interim Meeting - June 1, 2016 - … Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [i2rs] I2RS Interim Meeting - June 1, 2016 - … Susan Hares
- Re: [i2rs] I2RS Interim Meeting - June 1, 2016 - … Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [i2rs] I2RS Interim Meeting - June 1, 2016 - … Susan Hares
- Re: [i2rs] I2RS Interim Meeting - June 1, 2016 - … Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [i2rs] Ephemeral State Requirements discussion Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [i2rs] I2RS Interim Meeting - June 1, 2016 - … Andy Bierman
- Re: [i2rs] Ephemeral State Requirements discussion Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [i2rs] Ephemeral State Requirements discussion Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [i2rs] Ephemeral State Requirements discussion Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [i2rs] I2RS Interim Meeting - June 1, 2016 - … Susan Hares
- Re: [i2rs] I2RS Interim Meeting - June 1, 2016 - … Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [i2rs] I2RS Interim Meeting - June 1, 2016 - … Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [i2rs] I2RS Interim Meeting - June 1, 2016 - … Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [i2rs] Ephemeral State Requirements discussion Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [i2rs] I2RS Interim Meeting - June 1, 2016 - … Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [i2rs] I2RS Requriements - secure transfer Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [i2rs] Ephemeral State Requirements discussion Susan Hares
- Re: [i2rs] I2RS Requriements - secure transfer Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [i2rs] I2RS Requriements - secure transfer Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [i2rs] I2RS Interim Meeting - June 1, 2016 - … Andy Bierman
- [i2rs] Can I2RS focus on the "Over the Wire" data… Linda Dunbar
- Re: [i2rs] Can I2RS focus on the "Over the Wire" … Andy Bierman
- Re: [i2rs] I2RS Interim Meeting - June 1, 2016 - … Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [i2rs] Can I2RS focus on the "Over the Wire" … Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [i2rs] I2RS Interim Meeting - June 1, 2016 - … Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [i2rs] Ephemeral State Requirements discussion Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [i2rs] I2RS Interim Meeting - June 1, 2016 - … Susan Hares
- Re: [i2rs] Ephemeral State Requirements discussion Susan Hares
- Re: [i2rs] Can I2RS focus on the "Over the Wire" … Susan Hares
- Re: [i2rs] I2RS Interim Meeting - June 1, 2016 - … Andy Bierman
- Re: [i2rs] I2RS Interim Meeting - June 1, 2016 - … Susan Hares
- Re: [i2rs] Can I2RS focus on the "Over the Wire" … Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [i2rs] I2RS Interim Meeting - June 1, 2016 - … Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [i2rs] I2RS Interim Meeting - June 1, 2016 - … Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [i2rs] I2RS Interim Meeting - June 1, 2016 - … Andy Bierman
- Re: [i2rs] I2RS Interim Meeting - June 1, 2016 - … Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [i2rs] I2RS Interim Meeting - June 1, 2016 - … Susan Hares
- Re: [i2rs] I2RS Interim Meeting - June 1, 2016 - … Susan Hares
- Re: [i2rs] I2RS Interim Meeting - June 1, 2016 - … Susan Hares
- Re: [i2rs] I2RS Interim Meeting - June 1, 2016 - … Joel Halpern Direct
- Re: [i2rs] Can I2RS focus on the "Over the Wire" … Linda Dunbar
- Re: [i2rs] I2RS Interim Meeting - June 1, 2016 - … Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [i2rs] I2RS Interim Meeting - June 1, 2016 - … Susan Hares
- Re: [i2rs] I2RS Interim Meeting - June 1, 2016 - … Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [i2rs] I2RS Interim Meeting - June 1, 2016 - … Susan Hares
- Re: [i2rs] I2RS Interim Meeting - June 1, 2016 - … Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [i2rs] Ephemeral State Requirements discussion Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [i2rs] I2RS Interim Meeting - June 1, 2016 - … Eric Voit (evoit)
- Re: [i2rs] I2RS Interim Meeting - June 1, 2016 - … Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [i2rs] Ephemeral State Requirements discussion Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [i2rs] I2RS Interim Meeting - June 1, 2016 - … Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [i2rs] Ephemeral State Requirements discussion Susan Hares
- Re: [i2rs] Ephemeral State Requirements discussion Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [i2rs] Ephemeral State Requirements discussion Fedyk, Don
- Re: [i2rs] Ephemeral State Requirements discussion Susan Hares
- Re: [i2rs] Ephemeral State Requirements discussion Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [i2rs] Ephemeral State Requirements discussion Susan Hares
- Re: [i2rs] Ephemeral State Requirements discussion Susan Hares
- Re: [i2rs] Ephemeral State Requirements discussion Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [i2rs] Ephemeral State Requirements discussion Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [i2rs] Ephemeral State Requirements discussion Susan Hares
- Re: [i2rs] Ephemeral State Requirements discussion Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [i2rs] Ephemeral State Requirements discussion Susan Hares
- Re: [i2rs] Ephemeral State Requirements discussion Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [i2rs] Ephemeral State Requirements discussion Susan Hares