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</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;=CE=A2=C8=ED=D1=
=C5=BA=DA&quot;,sans-serif"> Stephen Cheng [mailto:Stephen.Cheng@Aviatnet.c=
om]
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 12:53<br>
</span><b>=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB<span lang=3D"EN-US">:</span></b><span lang=3D"=
EN-US"> i2rs@ietf.org; draft-ietf-i2rs-yang-l2-network-topology@ietf.org<br=
>
</span><b>=D6=F7=CC=E2<span lang=3D"EN-US">:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US"=
> Mail regarding draft-ietf-i2rs-yang-l2-network-topology<o:p></o:p></span>=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Dear authors,<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">I have a number of questions re=
garding this L2 topology YANG.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<ol style=3D"margin-top:0cm" start=3D"1" type=3D"1">
<li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span lang=3D"EN-=
US">Does draft-ietf-i2rs-yang-l2-network-topology support the modelling of =
a termination point that maps to a VLAN sub-interface?<o:p></o:p></span></l=
i></ol>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Th=
is capability would facilitate the creation of a topology stack for the fol=
lowing use cases:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<ol style=3D"margin-top:0cm" start=3D"1" type=3D"1">
<ol style=3D"margin-top:0cm" start=3D"1" type=3D"a">
<li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1"><span lang=3D"EN-=
US">Mapping a ietf-l3-topology TP over a vlan sub-interface<br>
In this case a TP in ietf-l3-topology instance would be supported by a VLAN=
 sub-interface TP in the l2-topology<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=3D"Mso=
Normal" style=3D"mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Mapping diff=
erent VLAN IDs in a L2 ports to different services<o:p></o:p></span></li></=
ol>
</ol>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:108.0pt;text-indent:-108=
.0pt;mso-text-indent-alt:-9.0pt;mso-list:l0 level3 lfo1">
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</span>i.<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-US">For=
 example, on a particular L2 port, VLAN 23 might be an attachment circuit f=
or VPLS #78, where as VLAN 99 might be an attachment circuit for L3VPN
 #999<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph"><span lang=3D"EN-US">If draft-ietf-i2rs-yang-=
l2-network-topology does not have the capability to model VLAN sub-interfac=
e as a TP, is there a different way for draft-ietf-i2rs-yang-l2-network-top=
ology to support the above use cases?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">=
[Qin]: Good question, this could be documented in another new draft. &nbsp;=
Also see 4.4.2 (Underlay Hierarchies and Mappings) of RFC8345 for guideline=
.</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<ol style=3D"margin-top:0cm" start=3D"2" type=3D"1">
<li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span lang=3D"EN-=
US">The VLAN sub-interface YANG (<a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/pdf/draf=
t-ietf-netmod-sub-intf-vlan-model-06.pdf">https://tools.ietf.org/pdf/draft-=
ietf-netmod-sub-intf-vlan-model-06.pdf</a>)
 being developed has some overlap with draft-ietf-i2rs-yang-l2-network-topo=
logy. It would be good if there would be better alignment between the two:<=
o:p></o:p></span>
<ol style=3D"margin-top:0cm" start=3D"1" type=3D"a">
<li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1"><span lang=3D"EN-=
US">Use similar definition/fields where possible; even better use shared gr=
ouping definition<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol>
</li></ol>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:108.0pt;text-indent:-108=
.0pt;mso-text-indent-alt:-9.0pt;mso-list:l0 level3 lfo1">
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</span>i.<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-US">For=
 example outer-tag and inner-tag<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<ol style=3D"margin-top:0cm" start=3D"2" type=3D"1">
<ol style=3D"margin-top:0cm" start=3D"2" type=3D"a">
<li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1"><span lang=3D"EN-=
US">VLAN sub-interface YANG (<a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/pdf/draft-ie=
tf-netmod-sub-intf-vlan-model-06.pdf">https://tools.ietf.org/pdf/draft-ietf=
-netmod-sub-intf-vlan-model-06.pdf</a>)
 flexible encapsulation supports symmetric and asymmetric rewrites, which d=
oes not appear to be supported by draft-ietf-i2rs-yang-l2-network-topology.
<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol>
</ol>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;[Qin]: Bot=
h drafts import ieee802-dot1q-types, this is how we align with each other. =
The big difference between the model proposed by both drafts is one is devi=
ce model, the other is
 network model. </span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<ol style=3D"margin-top:0cm" start=3D"3" type=3D"1">
<li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span lang=3D"EN-=
US">Consider the scenario where a domain controller implementing draft-ietf=
-i2rs-yang-l2-network-topology is also implementing schema mounted ietf-int=
erface to model the interface stacks of
 the managed devices:<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:54.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-=
list:l1 level1 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-US"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-=
<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-US">Is there a mechanism in=
 draft-ietf-i2rs-yang-l2-network-topology to associate a L2 TP with the cor=
responding interface entry in the schema mounted ietf-interface?<o:p></o:p>=
</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;[Qin]: This is the bas=
e model, if you want to support this complicate case, I think base model ex=
tension is needed.</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<ol style=3D"margin-top:0cm" start=3D"4" type=3D"1">
<li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span lang=3D"EN-=
US">For a LAG link, would the LAG TP be expected to be also represented by =
/nw:networks/nw:network/nw:node:termination-point/tp-id/supporting-terminat=
ion-point to its membership TPs?
<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US">It=
 would be useful to clarify for uniform implementation across different ven=
dors.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;[Qin] Lag and me=
mber-link-tp under l2-termination-point-type choice can be used to support =
the case you mentioned below. See the definition of Lag and member-link for=
 more details.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-indent:33.0pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US" st=
yle=3D"color:#1F497D">Aslo See section 4.4.6 Multihoming and link aggregati=
on of RFC8345 for guideline.</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Thank you.<o:p></o:p></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Warm regards,<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Stephen Cheng<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Aviat Networks<o:p></o:p></span=
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