Re: [i2rs] Kathleen Moriarty's Discuss on draft-ietf-i2rs-protocol-security-requirements-07: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)
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Subject: Re: [i2rs] Kathleen Moriarty's Discuss on draft-ietf-i2rs-protocol-security-requirements-07: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)
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Kathleen: Hmm. If this sounds like an experiment, then all new protocols are an experiment. This is a catch-22 - we are setting requirements for a re-use protocol that has not be designed yet. We are working on prototypes, but these prototypes cannot match the final work until we agree upon a set of requirements for the protocol. Sue Hares -----Original Message----- From: Kathleen Moriarty [mailto:kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 9:06 AM To: Susan Hares Cc: Juergen Schoenwaelder; i2rs@ietf.org; i2rs-chairs@ietf.org; The IESG; Jeffrey Haas; draft-ietf-i2rs-protocol-security-requirements@ietf.org Subject: Re: [i2rs] Kathleen Moriarty's Discuss on draft-ietf-i2rs-protocol-security-requirements-07: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 9:00 AM, Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com> wrote: > Juergen: > > Yes, we seem to disagree on the value of making it hardwired in the model. > For me, the value is a common understanding of deployment distribution such > as the route-views. Since the operators argued strongly for this point, I > think the best idea is to get it working in code and then see if the > deployment matches the requests. This sounds like more of an experiment, doesn't it? Thanks, Kathleen > > Sue > > -----Original Message----- > From: i2rs [mailto:i2rs-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Juergen > Schoenwaelder > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 8:14 AM > To: Susan Hares > Cc: i2rs@ietf.org; i2rs-chairs@ietf.org; 'Kathleen Moriarty'; 'The > IESG'; jhaas@pfrc.org; > draft-ietf-i2rs-protocol-security-requirements@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [i2rs] Kathleen Moriarty's Discuss on > draft-ietf-i2rs-protocol-security-requirements-07: (with DISCUSS and > COMMENT) > > Sue, > > I still do not see why the 'mode of exposure' of data benefits from > being hard-wired in the data model. For me, it is a situational and > deployment specific question. But I shut up here since I aired this > concern before (and we simply seem to disagree). > > /js > > On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 08:07:18AM -0400, Susan Hares wrote: >> Juergen: >> >> My example is the looking glass servers for the BGP route views >> project >> (http://www.routeviews.org/) or a route indicating the presence of a >> web-server that is public. For the BGP I2RS route, a yang model could >> replace the looking glass function, and provide events for these looking >> glass functions. For the web-server route, an event be sent when that >> one route is added. >> >> Sue >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Juergen Schoenwaelder >> [mailto:j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de] >> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 3:32 AM >> To: Susan Hares >> Cc: 'Kathleen Moriarty'; 'The IESG'; jhaas@pfrc.org; i2rs@ietf.org; >> i2rs-chairs@ietf.org; >> draft-ietf-i2rs-protocol-security-requirements@ietf.org >> Subject: Re: [i2rs] Kathleen Moriarty's Discuss on >> draft-ietf-i2rs-protocol-security-requirements-07: (with DISCUSS and >> COMMENT) >> >> On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 09:16:48PM -0400, Susan Hares wrote: >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > - >> > -- >> > COMMENT: >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > - >> > -- >> > >> > > Section 3: >> > > Can you clarify the second to last sentence? Do you mean there >> > > are >> sections that indicate an insecure transport should be used? >> > > I2RS allows the use of an >> > > insecure transport for portions of data models that clearly >> > > indicate insecure transport. >> > >> > > Perhaps: >> > > I2RS allows the use of an >> > > insecure transport for portions of data models that clearly >> > > indicate the use of an insecure transport. >> >> I still wonder how a data model writer can reasonably decide whether >> a piece of information can be shipped safely over an insecure >> transport since this decision often depends on the specifics of a >> deployment > situation. >> >> /js >> >> PS: I hope we do not end up with defining data multiple times (once >> for insecure transport and once for secured transports). >> >> -- >> Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH >> Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany >> Fax: +49 421 200 3103 <http://www.jacobs-university.de/> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> i2rs mailing list >> i2rs@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i2rs > > -- > Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH > Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany > Fax: +49 421 200 3103 <http://www.jacobs-university.de/> > > _______________________________________________ > i2rs mailing list > i2rs@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i2rs > -- Best regards, Kathleen
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